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    Posted: March 16 2010 at 14:59
I was quite surprised to see that the late Shawn Lane is not listed in PA. He is little known here in Europe but I guess he's much better known in the States.
His only two studio records "The Powers of Ten" and "The Tri-Tone Fascination" are great works which I would classify in Jazz-Rock-Fussion (not in Prog-Metal please !!).
 
If I will have the chance to ever review "The Powers of Ten" I will define it as "take Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny and Steve Vai, add a pinch of Zappa and another of Chick Corea, put it all in a mixer, and you have an idea of what this album sounds like".
 
An unquestionable talent, and a sad loss for the musical world who deserves a place in PA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 15:35
Do you have samples to evaluate them?
What sub-genre would fit the best in, in your opinion?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 15:49
He suggested Jazz-Rock Fusion (not in Prog metal).

Here are some links (I usually like to listen to suggestions, informally, but can't very well at the moment) :

http://www.myspace.com/shawnlanepage
http://www.shawnlane.com/
http://www.shawnlane.com/sounds.html



[urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Lane[/url]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 16:47
He already has PA credentials as a collaborator of Jonas Hellborg, I'll be giving those two albums a spin. Thanks for the suggestion. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 16:59
I searched more info, Shawn Lane started in Southern rock band Black Oak Arkansas (at his 14 as lead guitarist!), later was influenced by Holdsworth guitar techniques and played with Jonas Hellborg.
From above samples I can really hear some Holdsworth influences, but all music is more instrumental rock with some fusion elements (let say more Steve Vai than Holdsworth).Jazz moments are presented, but not too much. In many places it sounds more as jam band, than as jazzy improv. Few places are really fusion though.
 
From what I heard there I think his music is instrumental rock ,but with fusion influence for sure. Possibly, it's my personal impression, but theer are not enough jazz elements (even if separate songs are more jazzy) for being classified as progressive jazz-rock fusion.And 100% no chances to be classified as progressive metal Smile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 16:59
He's definitely a fusion guy. He took Holdworth's work and took it to another level. (Power of ten, maybe)
 
Definitely would fit in on jazz-fusion.
 
His time with Hellborg is as much Lane as Hellborg, with occasionally sounding like a Lane solo project. Most of his work in the years leading up to his death were with Hellborg.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 17:03
Yes he has a few videos in YouTube, try these to get a feeling:
 
 
 
 
The ones where he looks so fat are closer to his end (it was due to his illness which eventually killed him), I recommend the earlier ones best.
 
Definitely more prog than many of the artists in PA. Enjoy !!!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 17:22
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

He suggested Jazz-Rock Fusion (not in Prog metal).
 
Oops, I didn't see that.
LOL Gerinski, you're a funny guy!
After hearing the samples, I definitely think he'd fit here though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 17:23

Another Holdsworth-clone, besides Henderson. I am indeed suprised he is not YET in PA...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 17:35

Those videos are good choices. Here's one more fave.

 
Shawn really didn't do anything related to jam bands, mainly shred and jazz guitar scene of the time. One of the most astonishing musicians to have walked during our lifetimes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 17:38
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Another Holdsworth-clone, besides Henderson. I am indeed suprised he is not YET in PA...

 
All respect to Holdsworth, he's no where near the musician Shawn Lane was. And I know that's saying alot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 17:39
Glad to hear those first positive feedbacks, I hope there will be consensus to add him to PA !
 
The reason I said "not in Prog-Metal please" is that Shawn Lane is frequently praised as being the fastest guitarist ever, and as such is sometimes revered by metal public and put alongside metal guitar-shredders such as Steve Vai (admittedly much more than a guitar shredder), Tony MacAlpine, Richie Kotzen and the likes.
 
But Shawn Lane was special, even if his guitar sound was sometimes close to the metal shredders, his music was purely fussion, indeed his biggest influence being Alan Holdsworth, and for another thing he was also a very accomplished pianist / keyboardist (in his great first solo album "The powers of ten" he played all the instruments, well, I think for the drums he used a sequencer but anyway all by himself).
 
And the big advantage compared to Holdsworth is that while Alan's solo albums frequently sound like academical scale-practice exercises, Shawn had real melodies in his music.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 03:35
despite the Holdsworth influence, their two styles are vastly different, Lane is closer to a Frank Gambale than an Allan Holdsworth..but like AH, Lane was quite an original

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

 All respect to Holdsworth, he's no where near the musician Shawn Lane was. And I know that's saying alot.


nonsense, and I love Lane's playing



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 03:40
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

despite the Holdsworth influence, their two styles are vastly different, Lane is closer to a Frank Gambale than an Allan Holdsworth..but like AH, Lane was quite an original

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

 All respect to Holdsworth, he's no where near the musician Shawn Lane was. And I know that's saying alot.


nonsense, and I love Lane's playing



Absolutely agree! Even if one can hate Allan Holdsorth playing, it's difficult to compare him and LaneLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 09:40

I admit that Holdsworth has underwhelmed me since I first heard him.

I've heard Holdsworth in multiple contexts, and I've heard nothing that compares to Lane. Which is ok because Lane was part of a generation that built on the work the 70's fusion guitarists started. It's natural that they would take the torch further. And hopefully there will be new artists to advance it even further.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 09:02
Direct comparisons are hateful. I agree that the guitar pieces of Shawn Lane are closer to Frank Gambale's than to Holdsworth's, but for one thing Holdsworth is better known when having to give some references. Then we have the fact that Shawn Lane fortunately wrote also pieces based on his huge skill with the piano and keyboards, giving him an important advantage compared to Gambale or other guitar heroes who while being great may get too repetitive with the virtuoso-guitar-shredding thing.
Holdsworth is more experimental and cold-technical, and Lane was more sensitive, more melodic. I love both (and Gambale too), they are simply different and they all deserve credit for what they have done.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 09:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYJyQ94m2-g

the fantastic Øystein Sunde (Oistein Sunde)

this is not Jazz fusion but he is a legend i Norway often considered the best Norwegian guitaris, probably one of the fastest blue-grass guitarists in the world he is also a prominant banjo player, he gets praised by both Clapton and Knophler by being the best guitaris in the world.

he is most known for writen fun, silly songs about caravans, Volvo Amazon and other humeos songs he combine fast guitar playnig, stand-up comic, if you understand Norwegian you will fall of your chair in laughter, often blue grass based


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 11:02
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Direct comparisons are hateful. I agree that the guitar pieces of Shawn Lane are closer to Frank Gambale's than to Holdsworth's, but for one thing Holdsworth is better known when having to give some references. Then we have the fact that Shawn Lane fortunately wrote also pieces based on his huge skill with the piano and keyboards, giving him an important advantage compared to Gambale or other guitar heroes who while being great may get too repetitive with the virtuoso-guitar-shredding thing.
Holdsworth is more experimental and cold-technical, and Lane was more sensitive, more melodic. I love both (and Gambale too), they are simply different and they all deserve credit for what they have done.
 
 
Shawn Lane got one JRF team member's  "Yes" for inclusion, so evaluation process is on its way. Just wait a bit for the final team's decision Wink.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 11:24
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

He already has PA credentials as a collaborator of Jonas Hellborg, I'll be giving those two albums a spin. Thanks for the suggestion. Thumbs Up


A lot more than two with Hellborg and all worth checking out and don't forget the collaboration with Hellborg  on Michael Shrieve's album Two Doors and a few tunes on Jens Johansson's Fission. And then there is the excellent live Tritone Fascination Live under Lane's name.


To be honest I thought we agreed to Lane's inclusion a couple of years ago
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 12:13
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

He already has PA credentials as a collaborator of Jonas Hellborg, I'll be giving those two albums a spin. Thanks for the suggestion. Thumbs Up


A lot more than two with Hellborg and all worth checking out and don't forget the collaboration with Hellborg  on Michael Shrieve's album Two Doors and a few tunes on Jens Johansson's Fission. And then there is the excellent live Tritone Fascination Live under Lane's name.


Thanks, I am definitely interested!

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:


To be honest I thought we agreed to Lane's inclusion a couple of years ago


That's interesting... can it be dug up from the vaults? Or should there be a new evaluation?
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