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    Posted: March 16 2010 at 18:24
Most of you know by now that Genesis was inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame.  The ceremony was aired yesterday (15th of March).  The event opened with Phish performing "Watcher of the Skies."  Trey Anastasio (sp?) offered up the induction speech, and then Phish performed "No Reply."

I'm curious about reactions to the whole affair.
If you saw the ceremony, what are your thoughts about the performances and/or the ceremony itself?

More broadly, what are people's thoughts about a progressive group (finally) being included? 
Does it matter? Or, if that "no" comes too easily to your lips and keyboard-clacking fingers, then are there ways that it might be considered a not so very terrible thing?
What about Genesis being the first to enter the hallowed (or sadly tarnished) Hall?  
 


Edited by questionsneverknown - March 16 2010 at 18:26
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 18:28
I am very glad that there influence in Rock was finally realized, even though I really don't think that the Hall of Fame has any real relevance to the Rock world.  That induction sounded interesting, I would have liked to see it.  Phish is a pretty cool band, but I'm surprised that they played "No Reply."  I guess they had to represent all eras.Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2010 at 20:46
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a joke. I have absolutely no interest in which bands are included or excluded. It doesn't matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 13:52
Originally posted by gottagetintogetout

I am very glad that there influence in Rock was finally realized, even though I really don't think that the Hall of Fame has any real relevance to the Rock world.  That induction sounded interesting, I would have liked to see it.  Phish is a pretty cool band, but I'm surprised that they played "No Reply."  I guess they had to represent all eras.Ermm

Phish's rendition of "Watcher' was quite excellent, actually.  It was a rather surreal moment as the organ chords began to fill the hall to start the whole ceremony--there seemed to be a number of "Who is this?" "What is this?" gestures going around the suited room.

Anastasio's speech was a marvelous paeon to prog and he clearly was trying to make a case that a quiet minority in the music listening world has not been heard by the Hall of Fame until this moment.

The cover of "No Reply" was, er, uh, well y'know.  Guess it had to be done.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 13:57
Originally posted by thellama73

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a joke. I have absolutely no interest in which bands are included or excluded. It doesn't matter.

This has generally been my opinion.
But then I ended up watching the thing (as opposed to what? Celebrity Fit Club?  Sad really).

At the same time I was struck by Steve Van Zandt's compelling speech, when he was inducting The Hollies, in which he made an impassioned, intelligent defense of what the Hall of Fame can stand for as opposed to the Grammies and American Music Awards (both annoying and irrelevant).  

I'll have to dig around the web to see if that's been posted yet.  It's worth checking out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 14:10
Originally posted by questionsneverknown

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More broadly, what are people's thoughts about a progressive group (finally) being included? 
Does it matter? Or, if that "no" comes too easily to your lips and keyboard-clacking fingers, then are there ways that it might be considered a not so very terrible thing?
What about Genesis being the first to enter the hallowed (or sadly tarnished) Hall?  
 


I would say that many progressive groups have been included, and in terms of Prog as we use it at this site, Pink Floyd was inducted back in 1996.  So I don't think it's that amazing.  I would be amazed if it was a group just known for Prog, but I very much doubt that Genesis would have been included had it not been for the band's pop music contributions.

Side:note as for some artists in PA, of course Frank Zappa was inducted in 1995, as well as Santana in 1998, Steely Dan in 2005 and Miles Davis in 2006.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 18:07
Originally posted by Logan

 

I would say that many progressive groups have been included, and in terms of Prog as we use it at this site, Pink Floyd was inducted back in 1996.  So I don't think it's that amazing.  I would be amazed if it was a group just known for Prog, but I very much doubt that Genesis would have been included had it not been for the band's pop music contributions.

Side:note as for some artists in PA, of course Frank Zappa was inducted in 1995, as well as Santana in 1998, Steely Dan in 2005 and Miles Davis in 2006.

Thanks for the history update.  
What's interesting to me is that though many have said that Genesis was probably included for the pop half of their career, many of the things I heard and read leading up to the induction emphasized their "progness," and some of the statements have made the claim that Genesis were the first prog group to be inducted.  While Zappa and Pink Floyd's inclusion clearly contradicts this (more so than Santana, Miles Davis, and Steely Dan), it seems that Genesis have been brought forth as a prog group while the prog elements of the others has been deemphasized.  Opening the event with "Watcher of the Sky" seemed to make this point.    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 18:46
Originally posted by questionsneverknown

Originally posted by Logan

 

I would say that many progressive groups have been included, and in terms of Prog as we use it at this site, Pink Floyd was inducted back in 1996.  So I don't think it's that amazing.  I would be amazed if it was a group just known for Prog, but I very much doubt that Genesis would have been included had it not been for the band's pop music contributions.

Side:note as for some artists in PA, of course Frank Zappa was inducted in 1995, as well as Santana in 1998, Steely Dan in 2005 and Miles Davis in 2006.

Thanks for the history update.  
What's interesting to me is that though many have said that Genesis was probably included for the pop half of their career, many of the things I heard and read leading up to the induction emphasized their "progness," and some of the statements have made the claim that Genesis were the first prog group to be inducted.  While Zappa and Pink Floyd's inclusion clearly contradicts this (more so than Santana, Miles Davis, and Steely Dan), it seems that Genesis have been brought forth as a prog group while the prog elements of the others has been deemphasized.  Opening the event with "Watcher of the Sky" seemed to make this point.    


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2010 at 23:32
Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by questionsneverknown

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More broadly, what are people's thoughts about a progressive group (finally) being included? 
Does it matter? Or, if that "no" comes too easily to your lips and keyboard-clacking fingers, then are there ways that it might be considered a not so very terrible thing?
What about Genesis being the first to enter the hallowed (or sadly tarnished) Hall?  
 


I would say that many progressive groups have been included, and in terms of Prog as we use it at this site, Pink Floyd was inducted back in 1996.  So I don't think it's that amazing.  I would be amazed if it was a group just known for Prog, but I very much doubt that Genesis would have been included had it not been for the band's pop music contributions.

Side:note as for some artists in PA, of course Frank Zappa was inducted in 1995, as well as Santana in 1998, Steely Dan in 2005 and Miles Davis in 2006.


Scratching head as to why it took so long to put FZ,Santana and Miles into it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 03:20
I just couldent care less, these kinda events is a turnof to me in general.
The fact that King Crimson was not the first Prog band to get in, tell me that its all about record sales, not about the development in the art of music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 12:24
I was really glad to hear Trey's speech emphasize their prog career. As a matter of fact, he barely mentioned their pop side at all. He sung the praises of Trespass and SEBtP in particular, which was very cool. My favorite moment, though, came when he said something to the effect of "Most of you have probably never heard Selling England by the Pound, but those who have know exactly what I'm talking about".
 
All in all, I don't think this changes anything about the Hall, I still think it's pretty pointless. Still cool to have Genesis's prog side displayed so prominently on their big night.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 15:17
While I really don't care that much about it right now I do think it's of significance way on down the road.  In 100 years none of us will be around but chances are that some remnant of the R&R Hall of Fame will and, therefore, there's a chance that prog groups like Genesis will be remembered and still listened to solely because of their inclusion.  By then the politics will be forgotten and music historians will be able to hear an epic like "Suppers Ready" and acknowledge that this band was brave enough to make courageous and lasting stands against the status quo.  That's the real upside to this whole deal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 15:24

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:59
Originally posted by Chicapah

While I really don't care that much about it right now I do think it's of significance way on down the road.  In 100 years none of us will be around but chances are that some remnant of the R&R Hall of Fame will and, therefore, there's a chance that prog groups like Genesis will be remembered and still listened to solely because of their inclusion.  By then the politics will be forgotten and music historians will be able to hear an epic like "Suppers Ready" and acknowledge that this band was brave enough to make courageous and lasting stands against the status quo.  That's the real upside to this whole deal.

Nicely put.  
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