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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 08:19
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:


Oswald Schneider - Jazz Rock/Fusion band with some modern electronical elements, sung in Czech.



 

 


Listened to Oswald Schneider:

Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 14:02
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Listened to Oswald Schneider:

Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.[/QUOTE]
 
I  really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2010 at 15:05
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Listened to Oswald Schneider: Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.[/QUOTE]

 

I  really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"...
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Milan, you're right in your own manner,but... ProgArchives are "progressive rock" site, not JAZZ, and according to strict PA rules only most progressive jazz-rock/fusion artists could be presented on site. It's understandable - PA is ROCK site, and without serious filter it could become full of jazz artists (or house/trance artists instead of progressive electronic,for example). What doesn't mean rejected candidates are bad JAZZ artists. Possibly one day they all find their place on JAZZ site, what is their real home. Just my opinion ...

And "new" no way always means "progressive"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 02:58
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

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Red Baron Band - sounds similarly like another Czech band "Votchi", it means Hammond-leaded Vintage Hard Rock with brilliant vocals, sung in English.

<SPAN =><FONT style=": #f88; COLOR: #000" id=SLOVNIK_HIGHLIGHT>www.redbaronband.com/</SPAN>



 



Red Baron Band sounds as really great early Deep Purple's tribute band, enjoyed the music! Vintage hard rock with keyboards passages. Not progressive, but very enthusiastic music, and no way boring. Nice band!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 11:43
Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Listened to Oswald Schneider: Really pleasant modern music, somewhere between intelligent jazzy electro-pop and really good nu jazz. Unhappily, not enough progressive for strict JRF criteria. But I could recommend it for listening as fresh and interesting nu jazz for everyone, searching for pleasant modern jazzy music.

 

I  really don´t know why nu-jazz isn´t progressive. (Paradox: "new" means "progress", isn´t it?) I think Oswald Schneider is more progressive than old matadors like Hancock or McLaughlin. I´m lazy to read "strict JRF criteria"...
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Milan, you're right in your own manner,but... ProgArchives are "progressive rock" site, not JAZZ, and according to strict PA rules only most progressive jazz-rock/fusion artists could be presented on site. It's understandable - PA is ROCK site, and without serious filter it could become full of jazz artists (or house/trance artists instead of progressive electronic,for example). What doesn't mean rejected candidates are bad JAZZ artists. Possibly one day they all find their place on JAZZ site, what is their real home. Just my opinion ...

And "new" no way always means "progressive"
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Nevermind. I´ll wait to another reviewers´opinion. Maybe somebody judges us. Maybe Oswald Schneider belongs better to Crossover Prog...
 
What´s true, this band plays more than 20 years strictly non-commercial music using  fusion between Rock and  Jazz with a little odour of Electronica. "Electro-Pop" isn´t it in any case, I promise! 
 
As regards Red Baron Band, I suggest them because there is similar Czech band (from the same city, Prague), named Votchi. With a difference that RBB begins to play earlier, therefore they are old warhorses.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2010 at 15:50
^Sure, I think it's great that you suggested the bands many of us didn't know till now. I wrote just my personal opinion, and I believe there could be more different opinions as well. I think this thread will live successfully only if there will be more different suggestions from fans with knowledge of their coountry's music. Not all of suggestions will finish on PA, but at least we all will have possibility to know national scenes better

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2010 at 12:56

I would like to show you one of old Czech/Slovak suggestions by Magor (who suggested most of Czech/Slovak bands before):

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52342&PID=3702920#3702920



Not everything has to appeal to Jazz Prog genre, some of them may be Eclectic, or Crossover. It happens all the time. Sadly, requirements for Jazz Rock / Fusion genre are, as you said Slava, strict.

I had few days off (in offline world, you know, Land Without Computer), so let me just give time and I will listen it through.

Mimochodem Milane, Vltavu, Jazz Celula, Prudy vidím jako dobrou šanci. Jak jsem říkal, Eclectic (pro "divnějšího") a Crossover (pro víc "mainstreamovou") hudbu je naše příležitost. Co ty na to ?




Edited by Marty McFly - July 01 2010 at 14:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2010 at 18:14
Hi, Marty. Here comes a more Eastern resident.

A great blog and a very visually useful map thanks!





And I'm very pleased with "opening Iron Curtain" and "removing the Oriental wall" by all Eastern members here.

Already Slava has made some brilliant recommendations to me personally ... Suuk (now under eval in Psych), Saules Laikrodis, Argo (already added in Crossover), Auktyon, Fiodorov-Volkov-Ribot-Medeski, Modo ...

Now I'm listenning to Imants Kalnins ... oooo, what a delightful and graceful symphonia with beautiful angel voices! (Thanks Slava!) Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2010 at 04:31

Slava's country certainly has a lot to offer. Estonia is the smallest from Baltic states and it has much more bands. Not sure why, Slava probably knows why.

Anyway Keishiro, what about to use similar map for Asian countries ? You can ask for help of people, who knows more about certain countries and would be willing to talk/suggest bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2010 at 12:59
So I'm suggesting:

for Crossover
Boo
Vladimír Mišík & ETC

for Psychedelic
Klar
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2010 at 13:05
Hi, Marty (and all Eastern Prog fans),
Every albums of Prúdy are included in Collegium Musicum section. I think it´s not alright and this chapter should be divided because there are two another bands.  
Jazz Celula - I absolutely don´t know why this band isn´t  here yet. This is without doubt masterpiece of JR/F!
Vltava - entirely unclassifiable band in this "strict JR/F criteria". Rock music with a touch of vaudeville, jazz, swing, some modern elements, maybe pop, using dada or surrealistic lyrics, sung in Czech with funny falsetto... I´m curious what would  unknowing reviewers say to their music.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2010 at 00:57
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

... Anyway Keishiro, what about to use similar map for Asian countries ? You can ask for help of people, who knows more about certain countries and would be willing to talk/suggest bands.
Good idea. Put it in line. Wink

And as to Klar, atypical for West but a good psych-flavoured outfit. Thumbs up from me. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2010 at 14:40
Originally posted by Gandalfino Gandalfino wrote:

Hi, Marty (and all Eastern Prog fans),
Every albums of Prúdy are included in Collegium Musicum section. I think it´s not alright and this chapter should be divided because there are two another bands.  
Jazz Celula - I absolutely don´t know why this band isn´t  here yet. This is without doubt masterpiece of JR/F!
Vltava - entirely unclassifiable band in this "strict JR/F criteria". Rock music with a touch of vaudeville, jazz, swing, some modern elements, maybe pop, using dada or surrealistic lyrics, sung in Czech with funny falsetto... I´m curious what would  unknowing reviewers say to their music.

1)From what I saw, only first album (COLLEGIUM MUSICUM discography) is here. I suppose that Prudy can make a case here and succeed. Give it a time please.

2)Jazz Celula - I was listening their album Oheň až požár and what can I say - pure JR/F.

3)Vltava - I know them very well. I think that JR/F isn't good choice for them, they're not hardcore Jazz like Jazz Celula. Their place would be maybe in Eclectic, or Crossover.

Jonáši, na wiki Vltavy se píše "Její hudba mnohdy balancovala mezi popem a kýčem, typické také byly její surrealistické texty" a pop prvky mnohdy znamenají Crossover: Surrealistické texty jsou fajn - pro nás dva, ale nejenom, že jim většina nebude rozumět, ale hlavně se na PA na texty ohled skoro nebere. 

Jen říkám, jak to je


Keishiro, that's fine. Most of my suggestions will be atypical from now on. Aren't all big names here already ? Then it's time to look for these obscure (unknown) or obscure atypical bands like the ones from Czech Republic.

Happy hunting :-)


Quote I also updated list on first page:

Futurum suggested for Neo-Prog
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Dan Bárta suggested to Jazz  Forum
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Jablkoň suggested for Avant  Forum
Psí vojáci suggested for Avant  Forum
MCH Band suggested for Avant
Deep Sweden suggested for Avant
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Monika Načeva suggested for more genres  Forum
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Ufajr suggested for Post-Rock 
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C suggested for Post-Rock  Forum
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Boo suggested for Crossover
Vladimír Mišík & ETC suggested for Crossover
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Klar suggested for Psychedelic
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Michal Pavlíček suggested for Eclectic
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Atari Terror suggested for Prog Metal
Asmodeus suggested for Prog Metal
Master's Hammer suggested for Prog Metal
Oblomov suggested for Prog Metal




Edited by Marty McFly - July 03 2010 at 16:22
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2010 at 01:59
Hi all,
I´m not quite streetwise in Heavy Metal, but I want to suggest an interesting band from Moravia, land of Czech Republic, named Silent Stream Of Godless Elegy. This is very unique mix of Metal, Folk and (sometimes) Classical music, sung in English or Czech.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2010 at 03:03

^ Already on my "to-do" list. Just leave it to me and it'll be OK. Thanks for suggestion though, seems like we're two who have opinion that they are Prog Metal.

Prog Metal will-suggest

Silent Stream of Godless Elegy
Symphonity
Stíny plamenů (from Pilsen)

with Master's Hammer
& Oblomov being evaluated (and it seems like success)


of course + Asmodeus & Atari Terror.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2010 at 04:38
Thinking of Czech Prog Rock, I have remembered another interesting artists I´ve seen alive, OTK. This obscure band plays about 21 years their hardshell music, somewhere between RIO/Avant and Eclectic Prog.
 
So, and their fellows, more famous and festooned with many musical prizes in Czech Republic, Tata Bojs, are hard to sort here. I mean Crossover Prog. Especially their 6th, conceptual, piece  "Nanoalbum" predestinates them to presence on Progarchives.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2010 at 17:18

^ Milan, your suggestions are always a pleasure to read. The ones I sometimes know, but never thought about them in Prog way.

I don't know OTK, but Tata Bojs could work. "Nanoalbum" is really a gem, even it may be tough challenge to get them here.


What Vltava album do you think is the most Prog ? I was thinking about ///Marx Engels Beatles///, or their very first. Eclectic or Crossover. Unfortunately not Jazz.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 02:43
Marty,
"Marx Engels Beatles" is the most Prog Vltava album, it´s true. It´s their masterpiece, most compact  and hardest album ever. On the previous album "Šťastnej jako trám" are included more Swing and Jazz than Rock. And contemporary Vltava (without record, for the present) brings even more Rock music, without saxes for this once.
 
OTK - surely, Tata Bojs - maybe. I shouldn´t curse a  Tata Bojs´ chance for this time. Let the others express their opinion. I´m curious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 04:07
Briefly listened to Tata Bojs myspace samples, generally indie-pop, influenced by post new-wave. Don't know from what albums these songs come, but more or less all of them are somewhere on indie-pop territory.


OTK samples sound more as Eclectic for me, didn't hear much of avant, at least on presented samples.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 04:22
Originally posted by Gandalff Gandalff wrote:

Hi all,
I´m not quite streetwise in Heavy Metal, but I want to suggest an interesting band from Moravia, land of Czech Republic, named Silent Stream Of Godless Elegy. This is very unique mix of Metal, Folk and (sometimes) Classical music, sung in English or Czech.

 





Suggestion for Prog Metal.

<SPAN =>www.ssoge.com/</SPAN>



Great band's site and many of samples presented there. Sound nice, mix of symphonic metal and some folk elements, very melodic, with classic influences. Something similar to Nightwish, but with more original Eastern European flavours.
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