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    Posted: May 29 2012 at 07:34
80's was the Disco era.. just wondering if the prog musician back then were somehow influenced by them thus making them a "lil less appealing to prog music fans. Just wondering.




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Exhibit No. 1:

Actually that was the '70's though it did ooze over into the '80's

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Originally posted by bluejeanjunky

80's was the Disco era.. just wondering if the prog musician back then were somehow influenced by them thus making them a "lil less appealing to prog music fans. Just wondering.

Late 70s was the disco era, as the recent passing of Donna Summer and Robin Gibb have reminded us all. 
 
Disco in Prog? "Another Brick In The Wall (part 2)" was a Number One hit for Pink Floyd in 1979.
 
 
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I'd tend to agree with the overall downsides of that decade. After all, we have to judge the proportion of bad things vs. good ones, not just picking up exceptions.

But still:
Three of a perfect pair was released in the 80's.
Talk Talk were enjoying themselves like rabbits in a crop country-side field.

To me that is enough to have peace with my decaying soul.
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I think the 80s rock movement inspired alot of modern day proggers
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SaltyJon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2012 at 22:25
Discipline came out in the 80s.  These also came out in the 80s:

Cardiacs - A Little Man and a House..., On Land and In the Sea, The Seaside
Dun - Eros
Eskaton - 4 Visions
Univers Zero - Uzed, Heatwave, Ceux Du Dehors
Zamla Mammaz Manna - Familjesprickor
Picchio dal Pozzo - Abbiamo Tutti I Suoi Problemi
Naked City - s/t
Art Zoyd - Symphonie Pour Le..., Berlin, Generaton Sans Futur, Le Mariage du Ciel et de L'Enfer, Phase IV, NOsferatu, Les Espaces INquiets
This Heat - Deceit
Miriodor - Rencontres
Present - Triskaidekaphobie, Le Poison Qui Rend Fou
Eider Stellaire - debut
Shub-Niggurath - Les Morts Vont Vite
Etron fou Leloublan - Les Poumons Gonfles, Face Aux Elements Dechaines, Les Sillons De La Terre,
Captain Beefheart - Doc at the Radar Station, Ice Cream for Crow
Fred Frith - Gravity
Thinking Plague - In This Life
Zappa - The Perfect Stranger

Probably more I can't think of, too.  Not a bad decade at all, in my opinion.
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Don't forget Switzerland's Flame Dream...

Our 3rd LP "Out in the Dark" was released in 1980.
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Apart from a scattering of albums, Prog came to a stand still in the 80s. Even Rush, Yes and Genesis opted for a more commercial approach.

Looking back one can easily see the 80s was the Metal head era. So many metal bands came up through the ranks namely Metallica, Venom, Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus, Iron Maiden and Anthrax among others.

Not much in the way of prog there of course but the 80s was the era of metal. i first got into metal during the 80s - Kill Em All (1983), Show No Mercy (1983), Number of the Beast (1982), Shout at the Devil (1983) and Black Metal (1982) were my first metal albums at the dawn of the metal onslaught - after that metal churned out and didn't stop. Prog metal came later in the 90s of course.





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Post Options Post Options   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2012 at 00:40
Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Actually that was the '70's though it did ooze over into the '80's
Dude! LOL
 
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush

Apart from a scattering of albums, Prog came to a stand still in the 80s. Even Rush, Yes and Genesis opted for a more commercial approach.
 
Until about 87/88, the decade was a good one for electronic prog. Tangerine Dream, Synergy (Larry Fast), Jarre, YOU, Schulze, Shreeve etc. Those guys all put out great/good albums.
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Some of my favorite prog albums came from the 80's (of course, the best was from the 70's) as well as some of my favorite non-prog (non-prog has really gone downhill since the 80's).  But yes, there was a lull there in the 80's for prog.  Anyway, some of my favorites from the 80's:

Fact & Fiction from Twelfth Night
Clutching at Straws and Script for a Jester's Tear (as well as the Market Square Heroes single) from Marillion
Duke from Genesis
Drama (and yes, I'm about to say it) 90125 from Yes
Tales from the Lush Attic from IQ
Nude from Camel
Long Distance Voyager from the Moody Blues

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I think that prog still survived thanks to the 80s. I mean, yeah, Rush, Yes, and Genesis reinvented themselves, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull were still around. Bands from the 70s happened to last into the 80s, though their original sound wasn't there.

The formation of neo-prog, though not that strong, still helped keep it alive to a degree.

And with ACR mentioning metal, that brings up another thing. Although a lot of the thrash metal was "prog-related", the 80s thrash metal (like Metallica, Iron Maiden, and Megadeth) probably paved the way for prog metal to come along afterwards, and bands like Fates Warning were around at the time to help with that.



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From what I've listened to so far the 80s was a mixed bag for prog, at least when it came to the old guard. King Crimson and Rush managed to successfully incorporate the sounds of the era into their music. Also, I like what Peter Gabriel did with So, and, right now, I'm listening to Eye In The Sky by The Alan Parson's Project. I wasn't too fond of Yes' 90125 (though I remember liking Drama), and I found Jethro Tull's The Broadsword And The Beast to be kind of lame.

I want to check out Iron Maiden one of these days.  I've heard some good things about their work.


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The 80s were absolutely amazing!!!!!!ClapClapClap















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I can't believe I seem to be the only one who does not think Heavy Metal is prog. Nor is Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, or Frank Zappa for that matter. And the 80s has absolutely NOTHING to do with prog rock AT ALL. There are a few bands who didn't realize the end had come and for the first few years of the 80s still made a few records the way they used to in the (only) true prog era of the SEVENTIES, like Rush (Moving Pictures and, marginally, Signals), Yes (Drama, but NOT 90210), Genesis (Duke but nothing else), and so forth. But to call Jethro Tull prog in the 80s is just plain silly. Or Queensryche, Alan Parsons, Camel, etc. They all abandoned prog and tried to be 80s. I will agree that Marillion is still jarringly prog in this otherwise entirely un-prog era, but they are the exception. Prog was a 70s phenomenon altogether, say I.
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^Sorry, but that is utter bs.
Have you had a listen to any of the tracks I just posted?
But hey, if you want something akin a little more to "prog rock" - as in 70s prog, then by all means look no further:


A lot of the communistic countries had their own 70s during the 80s so to speak. If you just venture out beyond the English speaking countries or past the 5 or 6 big names you've listed - chances are you're going to find a lot of cool stuff.

EDIT: Welcome to the site btw - sorry if I came across a tad snarling, but we've had this debate a hundred times before, and simply saying that the 80s sucked, is getting a bit old. I will agree with you in regards to a lot of the ol' dinosaurs, but the scene was so infinitely broad, that if you just start scratching the surface, you're most likely going to strike gold sooner or later.
Welcome to the craziness of PABeer


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Originally posted by bignoze

I can't believe I seem to be the only one who does not think Heavy Metal is prog. Nor is Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, or Frank Zappa for that matter. And the 80s has absolutely NOTHING to do with prog rock AT ALL. There are a few bands who didn't realize the end had come and for the first few years of the 80s still made a few records the way they used to in the (only) true prog era of the SEVENTIES, like Rush (Moving Pictures and, marginally, Signals), Yes (Drama, but NOT 90210), Genesis (Duke but nothing else), and so forth. But to call Jethro Tull prog in the 80s is just plain silly. Or Queensryche, Alan Parsons, Camel, etc. They all abandoned prog and tried to be 80s. I will agree that Marillion is still jarringly prog in this otherwise entirely un-prog era, but they are the exception. Prog was a 70s phenomenon altogether, say I.

Welcome aboard.

Heavy metal is not prog, prog metal is, and there is a difference. There are a number of heavy metal bands here under prog related category, which is not the same as prog, just a recognition of the fact that they influenced much of what we listen to, and the fact that many were part of a "movement" of music.

I can sympathise with you re Kate Bush, to a degree, but Gabriel & Zappa? Come on. Both are, rightly, regarded as titans of the genre. Perhaps if you regarded them as progressive artists, rather than your definition of prog?

As for the 1980's, I have seen this so many times it does, I am afraid, become rather Sleepy. Whether you like it or not, and I take it from your comments you did not, prog rock itself progressed, and changed. You might not have liked the direction of bands such as Tull, Genesis, and Yes etc., but much of what they produced was still palpably progressive rock music, even a lot of the more overtly commercial stuff. And as for your inclusion there of Camel, well, I'm sorry, that is just plain ridiculous. 

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I think the 1940's were the worst time for progressive rock.
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Originally posted by Conor Fynes

I think the 1940's were the worst time for progressive rock.

Any more comments like that, and I'll propose Glen Miller for symphonic prog!LOL


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Originally posted by Conor Fynes

I think the 1940's were the worst time for progressive rock.


Snap!
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Now, don't get me wrong, I am not debating the quality of the music these people made in the 80s. I like Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush and those 80s Camel records, but just because people were ONCE making prog music doesn't mean everything they did was prog. I suppose it is a question of definition, and maybe there is no universal one, so it is a useless debate. But to me nearly none of that 80s music is prog at all. I cannot believe anyone would describe Abacab as prog in any way, or Shock the Monkey, or Camel's Nude, or Broadsword and the Beast. They just are not prog. Not bad, but not prog rock, at least as far as my definition goes. Some of the above postings by Guldbamsen are quite interesting examples of avant-garde / experimental / art music, but I still don't hear them as "prog". I am not saying the music is bad. It is just a different genre. "Weirdness" and "lots of changes" does not, to me, constitute prog. Nor does the fact that there are real prog records in one's back-catalog. Is there no one who agrees with me? 
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