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    Posted: April 16 2010 at 09:20
So as a guitar freak, this may sound wierd, but I haven't really heard as much Holdworth as I think I should. And nothing has ever really grabbed me. What albums to people suggest that I listen to so I can really hear him at his best and say "Well I've heard him and it is or isn't for me."
 
I have Soft Machine's Bundles, on which he's good but still doesn't truly grab me.
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I would dig into his work with Bruford on "One of a Kind"

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Jean-Luc Ponty's masterful Enigmatic Ocean is a great place to check out his work !
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The album Bruford-Feels Good to Me is some great Holdsworth work.  The Gong album Gazeuse is Alan Holdsworth absolutely destroying.
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Metal Fatigue by Holdsworth himself
Gazeuse! by Gong has some incredible guitar playing by Allan
Enigmatic Ocean by Jean-Luc Ponty has my favorites "duels" between guitar, violin and synth
 
I would say that Holdsworth's playing on Bundles is his least spectacular, the sound of his guitar on that album compared to the ones I mentioned are notably different.
 
The "famous" Prog supergroup, U.K., has Allan Holdsworth playing in their debut. If you want to check how Allan would sound in a Prog band, this is the perfect place.


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Originally posted by tamijo

I would dig into his work with Bruford on "One of a Kind"
That or his solo album Road Games.
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Originally posted by Negoba

So as a guitar freak, this may sound wierd, but I haven't really heard as much Holdworth as I think I should. And nothing has ever really grabbed me. What albums to people suggest that I listen to so I can really hear him at his best and say "Well I've heard him and it is or isn't for me."
 
I have Soft Machine's Bundles, on which he's good but still doesn't truly grab me.


Bundles is a great live album but he hadn't fully developed his style yet.. if you'd prefer something a bit more  guitar-oriented and accessible I'd say Secrets or Road Games.. if you like very complex and personal maybe something like Hard Hat Area or Wardenclyffe Tower,  he's also a magnificent guest on k2's Book of the Dead and the Johansson Bros' Heavy Machinery
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No one's mentioned i.o.u. yet.  I got to see him on that tour.  He played at a really crappy punk club 688 in Atlanta.  I got to meet the band and Allan after the concert.  So maybe I'm a little prejudiced, but it's a good H album.  I also like the Velvet Darkness album.  Holdsworth didn't want the music released because it wasn't really finalized and I think I remember hearing he got screwed over on the whole deal. 

Also possibly of interest to some, Gary Husband, who's worked with Allan as a drummer did a piano record of reconstructed covers of Holdsworth pieces.  The Things You See.

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yes yes, i.o.u. is awesome, pretty difficult music to star with though but it is a great one, maybe my favorite
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As others have mentioned:

UK - UK
Bruford - Feels Good To Me
Bruford - One Of A Kind
Allan Holdsworth - Secrets
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Thanks, folks, I have some great ideas. I'll see if I can sample a few first and then buy a couple.
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hears some licks by Allan, something in the range of a 25 note rapid-fire arrpegio which absolutley astounded me. Wow, is this guy real good or what?

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Check him out with Tony Williams Lifetime, especially the cut "Fred" on "Believe It".
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I got Gazeuse and One of a Kind.
 
Gazeuse seems great so far. Very good fusion, lots of emotion. Holdsworth actually has a little fire.
 
One of a Kind is ok and Dave Stewart is pretty disappointing, and I love the guy. Very dated sound. Holdsworth is also starting to mellow out.
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Originally posted by Negoba

I got Gazeuse and One of a Kind.
 
Gazeuse seems great so far. Very good fusion, lots of emotion. Holdsworth actually has a little fire.
 
One of a Kind is ok and Dave Stewart is pretty disappointing, and I love the guy. Very dated sound. Holdsworth is also starting to mellow out.

Those two are great albums for me.  Got to see Bruford live on the One Of A Kind tour at the Atlanta Agora.  I was too young to be there as it was an alcohol serving club.  Might be why it doesn't sound dated to me.  Stewart on Khan on the other hand... LOL
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I love Stewart on Khan. Same thing, that period was before my time so the key sounds are more classic than cheesy. By 1979, I remember hearing those key sounds everywhere. I'm sure seeing that live would have been mindblowing. All four musicians are masters, maybe my expectations were a little too high.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Originally posted by Negoba

I got Gazeuse and One of a Kind.
 
Gazeuse seems great so far. Very good fusion, lots of emotion. Holdsworth actually has a little fire.
 
One of a Kind is ok and Dave Stewart is pretty disappointing, and I love the guy. Very dated sound. Holdsworth is also starting to mellow out.

Those two are great albums for me.  Got to see Bruford live on the One Of A Kind tour at the Atlanta Agora.  I was too young to be there as it was an alcohol serving club.  Might be why it doesn't sound dated to me.  Stewart on Khan on the other hand... LOL

Unfortunately, Allan wasn't in the band anymore at that point. The "Unknown" John Clarke had replaced him.
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Metal fatigue - 1985 from his solo stuff , and on One of a kind from Bill Bruford solo
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Posts: 643 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2010 at 14:36
The Bruford albums he's on and Enigmatic Ocean. Sorry to say I still haven't seen him live but he'll play a once-in-a-blue-moon gig at a place called the Baked Potato in Hollywood every so often if you can make it out this way.
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