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Are these bands considered proto-prog? I enjoy the works of both groups. Sadly both, especially Family, are practically unknown amongst the present young generation even amongst people that are seriously into music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 10:05
Both could be considered to have Proto-Prog albums, but both are included in the Eclectic Prog category.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 10:30
Originally posted by Hoodlum Hoodlum wrote:

Are these bands considered proto-prog? I enjoy the works of both groups. Sadly both, especially Family, are practically unknown amongst the present young generation even amongst people that are seriously into music.
 
No, that is not totally true because all through the late 70's, they were talked about in New York. They seemed to hit home with many fans of early Genesis. I remember quite often hearing conversations about the band as I waited in line to see Spooky Tooth or most obscure bands of the 70's. They were often mentioned in record stores along with bands like Gentle Giant. They held people's interest because of the diverse composition of the band. 'Music In A Doll's House" was quite like an early Genesis album while efforts like Fearless, Entertainment, Anyway and Bandstand had influences of folk, jazz, blues, and progressive rock music all in one affair. Sometimes it seemed as if they had no direction whatsoever and for that reason gained a reputation as simply an odd band.

As their song "Strange Band" spells it out for us, they were actually a very strange band for the time period. Maybe the song has zero connection to their personal life but, it really fits for the memory of Family. I love their usage of mellotron. The album covers were delightful. The violin playing on Music From A Doll's House reminds me of Simon House and one track in particular is reminiscent of a Hawkwind style. A track titled "The Breeze" and many others have a type of Genesis/Moody Blues feel. But they pretty much held their own regarding originality. You would hear those nice influences but from a band which was no doubt unique. Roger Chapman was a little too harsh or edgy sounding with his vocals but, other times melodic with the way he sang songs like "My Friend The Sun". I first heard them upon purchasing the Warner Brothers sampler...."The Big Ball". More at 11:00. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 10:34
Originally posted by Hoodlum Hoodlum wrote:

Are these bands considered proto-prog? I enjoy the works of both groups. Sadly both, especially Family, are practically unknown amongst the present young generation even amongst people that are seriously into music.
 
Sorry.....you did say present....didn't you? Yes, Family did have a reputation long ago but, today?  Maybe not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 10:47
Thing is, I've met John Wetton, Steve Howe, Carl Palmer and the keyboardist from the Buggles whose name escapes me now... Geoff Downes? But yeah... that was the Asia concert in Glasgow in late 2006 and I was able to say a few words to both Palmer and Wetton.. I told Palmer I'd been at his Carl Palmer Band concert 2 weeks before and told Wetton that I thought his work with King Crimson was so damned good and that I also liked Family...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 11:32
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Hoodlum Hoodlum wrote:

Are these bands considered proto-prog? I enjoy the works of both groups. Sadly both, especially Family, are practically unknown amongst the present young generation even amongst people that are seriously into music.
 
No, that is not totally true because all through the late 70's, they were talked about in New York. They seemed to hit home with many fans of early Genesis. I remember quite often hearing conversations about the band as I waited in line to see Spooky Tooth or most obscure bands of the 70's. They were often mentioned in record stores along with bands like Gentle Giant. They held people's interest because of the diverse composition of the band. 'Music In A Doll's House" was quite like an early Genesis album while efforts like Fearless, Entertainment, Anyway and Bandstand had influences of folk, jazz, blues, and progressive rock music all in one affair. Sometimes it seemed as if they had no direction whatsoever and for that reason gained a reputation as simply an odd band.

As their song "Strange Band" spells it out for us, they were actually a very strange band for the time period. Maybe the song has zero connection to their personal life but, it really fits for the memory of Family. I love their usage of mellotron. The album covers were delightful. The violin playing on Music From A Doll's House reminds me of Simon House and one track in particular is reminiscent of a Hawkwind style. A track titled "The Breeze" and many others have a type of Genesis/Moody Blues feel. But they pretty much held their own regarding originality. You would hear those nice influences but from a band which was no doubt unique. Roger Chapman was a little too harsh or edgy sounding with his vocals but, other times melodic with the way he sang songs like "My Friend The Sun". I first heard them upon purchasing the Warner Brothers sampler...."The Big Ball". More at 11:00. 
It is a shame that Family haven't achieved the recognition they deserve with present day Prog fans because their importance to the development of Prog in th UK from '67 to '73 can't be overstated, they weren't Proto Prog because they made Prog albums - the mix of styles across each album, and from one album to the next and the complexity of the arrangements of each song in incorporating those various styles are a clear indication of their Eclectic nature ... at times they may have sounded a bit blues-rock in the style of The Faces, but it was a much more complex and involved form of blues-rock, drawing in psyche, jazz, folk and pop into seemingly simple songs. They were influential on a number of British artists at the time, including Jethro Tull and Genesis. It would be more accurate to say that early Genesis is reminiscent of Music From a Dolls House than the other way around, and that Chapman's Gabriel-like vocals on "Burning Bridges" from Fearless for example where more a reflection of how close Gabriel got to sounding like Chapman in those early days (compare how Gabriel's voice changes from the debut to how it sounds on Lamb and his solo career - the Nursery Cryme/Foxtrot period vocal styling is distinctly Chapmanesque in quality and timbre IMO).
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Fearless by Family is particularly good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 16:11
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Hoodlum Hoodlum wrote:

Are these bands considered proto-prog? I enjoy the works of both groups. Sadly both, especially Family, are practically unknown amongst the present young generation even amongst people that are seriously into music.
 
No, that is not totally true because all through the late 70's, they were talked about in New York. They seemed to hit home with many fans of early Genesis. I remember quite often hearing conversations about the band as I waited in line to see Spooky Tooth or most obscure bands of the 70's. They were often mentioned in record stores along with bands like Gentle Giant. They held people's interest because of the diverse composition of the band. 'Music In A Doll's House" was quite like an early Genesis album while efforts like Fearless, Entertainment, Anyway and Bandstand had influences of folk, jazz, blues, and progressive rock music all in one affair. Sometimes it seemed as if they had no direction whatsoever and for that reason gained a reputation as simply an odd band.

As their song "Strange Band" spells it out for us, they were actually a very strange band for the time period. Maybe the song has zero connection to their personal life but, it really fits for the memory of Family. I love their usage of mellotron. The album covers were delightful. The violin playing on Music From A Doll's House reminds me of Simon House and one track in particular is reminiscent of a Hawkwind style. A track titled "The Breeze" and many others have a type of Genesis/Moody Blues feel. But they pretty much held their own regarding originality. You would hear those nice influences but from a band which was no doubt unique. Roger Chapman was a little too harsh or edgy sounding with his vocals but, other times melodic with the way he sang songs like "My Friend The Sun". I first heard them upon purchasing the Warner Brothers sampler...."The Big Ball". More at 11:00. 
It is a shame that Family haven't achieved the recognition they deserve with present day Prog fans because their importance to the development of Prog in th UK from '67 to '73 can't be overstated, they weren't Proto Prog because they made Prog albums - the mix of styles across each album, and from one album to the next and the complexity of the arrangements of each song in incorporating those various styles are a clear indication of their Eclectic nature ... at times they may have sounded a bit blues-rock in the style of The Faces, but it was a much more complex and involved form of blues-rock, drawing in psyche, jazz, folk and pop into seemingly simple songs. They were influential on a number of British artists at the time, including Jethro Tull and Genesis. It would be more accurate to say that early Genesis is reminiscent of Music From a Dolls House than the other way around, and that Chapman's Gabriel-like vocals on "Burning Bridges" from Fearless for example where more a reflection of how close Gabriel got to sounding like Chapman in those early days (compare how Gabriel's voice changes from the debut to how it sounds on Lamb and his solo career - the Nursery Cryme/Foxtrot period vocal styling is distinctly Chapmanesque in quality and timbre IMO).


I wasn't around in those days, but I agree. Funny how "Burning Bridges" is like something regurgitated from Trespass and in turn from Music in a Doll's House.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 30 2010 at 23:44
Originally posted by Hoodlum Hoodlum wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Hoodlum Hoodlum wrote:

Are these bands considered proto-prog? I enjoy the works of both groups. Sadly both, especially Family, are practically unknown amongst the present young generation even amongst people that are seriously into music.
 
No, that is not totally true because all through the late 70's, they were talked about in New York. They seemed to hit home with many fans of early Genesis. I remember quite often hearing conversations about the band as I waited in line to see Spooky Tooth or most obscure bands of the 70's. They were often mentioned in record stores along with bands like Gentle Giant. They held people's interest because of the diverse composition of the band. 'Music In A Doll's House" was quite like an early Genesis album while efforts like Fearless, Entertainment, Anyway and Bandstand had influences of folk, jazz, blues, and progressive rock music all in one affair. Sometimes it seemed as if they had no direction whatsoever and for that reason gained a reputation as simply an odd band.

As their song "Strange Band" spells it out for us, they were actually a very strange band for the time period. Maybe the song has zero connection to their personal life but, it really fits for the memory of Family. I love their usage of mellotron. The album covers were delightful. The violin playing on Music From A Doll's House reminds me of Simon House and one track in particular is reminiscent of a Hawkwind style. A track titled "The Breeze" and many others have a type of Genesis/Moody Blues feel. But they pretty much held their own regarding originality. You would hear those nice influences but from a band which was no doubt unique. Roger Chapman was a little too harsh or edgy sounding with his vocals but, other times melodic with the way he sang songs like "My Friend The Sun". I first heard them upon purchasing the Warner Brothers sampler...."The Big Ball". More at 11:00. 
It is a shame that Family haven't achieved the recognition they deserve with present day Prog fans because their importance to the development of Prog in th UK from '67 to '73 can't be overstated, they weren't Proto Prog because they made Prog albums - the mix of styles across each album, and from one album to the next and the complexity of the arrangements of each song in incorporating those various styles are a clear indication of their Eclectic nature ... at times they may have sounded a bit blues-rock in the style of The Faces, but it was a much more complex and involved form of blues-rock, drawing in psyche, jazz, folk and pop into seemingly simple songs. They were influential on a number of British artists at the time, including Jethro Tull and Genesis. It would be more accurate to say that early Genesis is reminiscent of Music From a Dolls House than the other way around, and that Chapman's Gabriel-like vocals on "Burning Bridges" from Fearless for example where more a reflection of how close Gabriel got to sounding like Chapman in those early days (compare how Gabriel's voice changes from the debut to how it sounds on Lamb and his solo career - the Nursery Cryme/Foxtrot period vocal styling is distinctly Chapmanesque in quality and timbre IMO).


I wasn't around in those days, but I agree. Funny how "Burning Bridges" is like something regurgitated from Trespass and in turn from Music in a Doll's House.

This is really interesting and now that I think of it, I may have dismissed the fact that "Music From A Doll's House was from 1968. I'm guessing though because it's been a very long time. This is truly interesting as I never pieced the puzzle or connection to Jethro Tull but, it makes perfect sense. I had heard only one track in the 70's and it wasn't until 1994, that I collected their cd's only to replace them with remasters later. What about when Chapman accidentally hit Bill Graham with a boom stand at the Fillmore East? Maybe the fans in New York got a thrill that night as people wanted to hear Ten Years After and they were having none of Family. The billing that night was not as extreme as Jimi Hendrix on tour with The Monkees however, the choosing was poor and brought zero justice to Family.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2010 at 13:20
I am well acquainted with Traffic, not so much with Family.  Family...oh yeah, that's the band that Rick Grech played in before he joined Blind Faith. 
 
Tour pairings back in the day were often ambiguous and/or ludicrous.  Yes/Allman Brothers, anyone?   On the good side, when I saw TYA, they were paired up with Grand Funk...both pretty much at the heighth of their careers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2010 at 08:21
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The billing that night was not as extreme as Jimi Hendrix on tour with The Monkees.
I wonder if Jimi ever joined them at the end for an acid-blazing solo on Daydream Believer?  A missed opportunity.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2010 at 09:35
See Chappo is credited with backing vocals on one of the tracks of Hendrix's Valleys Of Neptune.
 
Living locally to Leicester, when somebody says 'name a great Leicester band', almost inevitably Kasabian gets flagged up - I stick to saying Family and get blank looks; shame really.
 
I feel Family passed through the post-psychedlic /early prog stage relatively quickly and many of us just about missed them at the time. I also wonder if the departure of  Rick Grech to Blind Faith, there was a shift of the musical bias more in favour to Chapman/Whitney - e.g. less underground to more hard edge rock?  I feel Family  moved to writing and delivering  some great 3 minute rock pop songs in the early 70's especially appealing to the European audiences and singles charts. And many of those tunes could be extended to 15 minutes of jamming for live performances, without making prog epics..
 
Some of the UK critics didn't get on with Chappo bleat - which I think Paul Weller does ocassionally and so would like him to cover Family some time soon. The Sunday Times rock critic in the early 70's, Derek Jewel, once covered separate  gigs by Family and the Strawbs in a single review, stating these bands will get nowhere until those bands find alternative vocalists...................
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Living locally to Leicester, when somebody says 'name a great Leicester band'...
 
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Living locally to Leicester, when somebody says 'name a great Leicester band'...
 
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Naughty. SWW's drummer made enough to buy a pub/nightclub (was called Jimmy Dean's with a replica of the Porsche Dean killed himself in, in the club's entrance) between here (Loughborough ) and Coalville. Always would talk drums when serving behind the pub's bar at lunchtime, usually slandering Ginger Baker......
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It is a shame that Family haven't achieved the recognition they deserve with present day Prog fans because their importance to the development of Prog in th UK from '67 to '73 can't be overstated, they weren't Proto Prog because they made Prog albums - the mix of styles across each album, and from one album to the next and the complexity of the arrangements of each song in incorporating those various styles are a clear indication of their Eclectic nature ... at times they may have sounded a bit blues-rock in the style of The Faces, but it was a much more complex and involved form of blues-rock, drawing in psyche, jazz, folk and pop into seemingly simple songs. They were influential on a number of British artists at the time, including Jethro Tull and Genesis.
 
In their early days they were far more experimental and such, and the albums are all a treat. I am particular to "It's Only a Movie" ... and I have all the Streetwalkers albums after and several Chappo solo's as well.
 
I think that as they discovered that he could sing some blues'y stuff really well, they also infused it with some amazing guitar work, and I have always thought that if you want to hear some really good rock music and really well defined and designed, their later stuff is amazing. Their John Wetton period might be considered weirder and more "progressive" but it is also not as good. It might be more entertaining and fun, but the rock music is not as solid as it became. This became a solid, power rock band with massive vocals and instrumentation.
 
Quote It would be more accurate to say that early Genesis is reminiscent of Music From a Dolls House than the other way around, and that Chapman's Gabriel-like vocals on "Burning Bridges" from Fearless for example where more a reflection of how close Gabriel got to sounding like Chapman in those early days (compare how Gabriel's voice changes from the debut to how it sounds on Lamb and his solo career - the Nursery Cryme/Foxtrot period vocal styling is distinctly Chapmanesque in quality and timbre IMO).
 
Nice ... really nice Dean ... I had not made that connection before, but yeah ... totally totally totally true. I would also add a nod and a wink to Joe Cocker for the vocals.
 
I was thinking that it would be a hard stretch to get folks to enjoy listening to Red Card, or Streetwalkers these days and like "Chili Con Carne" ... not metal enough! ... not prog enough ... not this or that enough ... and look at the time these were done.
 
Had I a choice between Family/Streetwalkers or Traffic? I would take Family every day of the week and night! Traffic was way too pop music for my tastes and really not that original in my book. That's not to say that Stevie Winwood does not have nice things, that's to say that to my ear this is much more conventional stuff than Family ever was!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2010 at 15:42
Great bands both, i have a soft feeling for Traffic but i like what Family have done of course.
 
And i agree with the creator of the thread and with Dean, both bands are on the verge of oblivion and what we can do to not happen that?
 
Rick Grech was in both bands via Blind Faith




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