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    Posted: May 25 2010 at 00:41
Dragon is a New Zealand band which started their career as progressive rock outfit and after 2 great albums moved to Australia to become pop band.
Their progressive rock albums are: Universal Radio (1974) & Scented Gardens for the Blind (1975). Music on this album is progressive rock influenced by Yes and Cressida (they even wrote this influence on their myspace website). Long composition (7-10 minutes) with organ and guitar solos (occasional also Moog synth). For me they are very similar to Australian band "Spectrum".


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Todd Hunter (bass, vocals), Graeme Collins (piano, vocals, 1972), Neil Reynolds (drums, 1972), Ray Goodwin (guitar, keyboards, vocals, 1972-75), Ivan Thompson (keyboards, 1973), Marc Hunter (vocals), Neil Storey (drums, 1973-76), Geoff Chunn (drums, 1974), Robert Taylor (guitar, 1974-84), Paul Hewson (keyboards, 1975-84), Kerry Jacobsen (drums, 1976-83), Billy Rogers (harmonica, saxophone, vocals, 1979), Richard Lee (violin, vocals, 1979), Terry Chambers (drums, 1983-85), Allen Mansfield (keyboards, 1985), Doane Perry (drums, 1985-86), Don  Miller-Robinson (guitar, 1985, 1995), Peter Northcote (guitar, 1995), Tommy Emmanuel (guitar, 1986-88), David Hirschfelder (keyboards, 1987-89), Lee Borkman (keyboards, 1989), Andy Sidari (bass, guitar, keyboards, 1989), Mike Caen (guitar, 1989), Mitch Farmer (drums, 1989), John Watson (drums, 1989), Mark Williams (vocals, guitar, 2006-present), Bruce Reid (slide guitar, 2006-present), Pete Drummond (drums, 2006-present)

discography:

http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/dragon_f1

audio clips:

http://www.myspace.com/dragonnz (songs: Avalanche & Patina are from 1st album, La Gash Lagoon & Greylynn Candy from 2nd album, the 2 left are pop song from their Australian days)

other info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_(band)

http://www.recordheaven.net/body.cfm?x=browseLabel&sc=&ob=tl&so=ASC&pp=20&sl=true&ID=3464&iID=67531

http://www.dragononline.com.au/

http://www.sergent.com.au/music/dragon.html


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2010 at 01:43
As ozzy_tom has pointed out, the first two Dragon albums are progressive rock, the latter ones more pop based, but still with symphonic touches.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2010 at 01:54
Hi Any Colour You Like ! I see you are from New Zealand. Do you know any similar prog rock bands as Dragon from your country? I only know 2 others:
"Cleves": http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66542
and "Think": http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67662&PID=3664674
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2010 at 02:06
Originally posted by ozzy_tom ozzy_tom wrote:

Hi Any Colour You Like ! I see you are from New Zealand. Do you know any similar prog rock bands as Dragon from your country? I only know 2 others:
"Cleves": http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66542
and "Think": http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67662&PID=3664674


Split Enz's debut album Mental Notes is an art rock/symphonic mixture. The rest of their work is more or less pop though.

I'm not too sure about the others, but here is a list of the NZ prog albums listed on PA. Keep up the good work!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2010 at 05:28
Excellent suggestion. Clap "Patina" and "La Gash Lagoon" sound like pure Symphonic Prog, and they're also very good. "Greylynn Candy" sounds like Canterbury and Symphonic at the same time. "Avalanche" starts like Crossover but slowly builds into Symphonic. Based on these samples, I'll ask the Symphonic Team to evaluate the suggestions. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2010 at 20:00
[QUOTE=harmonium.ro]Excellent suggestion. Clap "Patina" and "La Gash Lagoon" sound like pure Symphonic Prog, and they're also very good. "Greylynn Candy" sounds like Canterbury and Symphonic at the same time. "Avalanche" starts like Crossover but slowly builds into Symphonic. Based on these samples, I'll ask the Symphonic Team to evaluate the suggestions. Thumbs Up [/QUOTE
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2010 at 20:40
Were a  couple of threads on this, and it was put to Crossover before, but I don't know what the verdict was (if there was one)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2010 at 22:51
i am not really in favour because the bulk of their output was crass pop....
 
If anything it is crossover i suppose, but not very sure about this band - 2 albums in an early phase that were totally forgotten in the 80s.
 
Nobody talked about them and they were an Australian sensation with their radio stuff!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2010 at 23:04
I am not from NZ or Australia but also I know  :
Schtung:   http://www.myspace.com/schtung77

Edited by GentleGiant - May 26 2010 at 23:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 01:28
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

i am not really in favour because the bulk of their output was crass pop....
 
If anything it is crossover i suppose, but not very sure about this band - 2 albums in an early phase that were totally forgotten in the 80s.
 
Nobody talked about them and they were an Australian sensation with their radio stuff!


All a band requires to be included on this site is ONE PROGRESSIVE ALBUM. Dragon produced two, then went poppy when they moved to Australia (go figure?).

If we exclude bands who made 'crass' pop albums, then we must exclude Genesis, Yes and Pink Floyd too. Fair?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 01:39
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The first 2 albums are prog that is certain. I wish we could just ignore their later output.... Dead


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 01:41
Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

i am not really in favour because the bulk of their output was crass pop....
 
If anything it is crossover i suppose, but not very sure about this band - 2 albums in an early phase that were totally forgotten in the 80s.
 
Nobody talked about them and they were an Australian sensation with their radio stuff!


All a band requires to be included on this site is ONE PROGRESSIVE ALBUM. Dragon produced two, then went poppy when they moved to Australia (go figure?).

If we exclude bands who made 'crass' pop albums, then we must exclude Genesis, Yes and Pink Floyd too. Fair?
Yes, the first 2 albums were prog!
 
But I hate the fact that we will get pple here thinking we are morons for including on a prog site 'April Sun in Cuba' or 'Rain'.
 
If we could ignore their catalogue after the first 2 albums that would be terrific, but I guess that wont happen. Cry  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 01:43
Originally posted by GentleGiant GentleGiant wrote:

I am not from NZ or Australia but also I know  :
Schtung:   http://www.myspace.com/schtung77
Nice
 
Listening to them now - prog and loving it. The humour is outlandishLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 01:44
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

i am not really in favour because the bulk of their output was crass pop....
 
If anything it is crossover i suppose, but not very sure about this band - 2 albums in an early phase that were totally forgotten in the 80s.
 
Nobody talked about them and they were an Australian sensation with their radio stuff!


All a band requires to be included on this site is ONE PROGRESSIVE ALBUM. Dragon produced two, then went poppy when they moved to Australia (go figure?).

If we exclude bands who made 'crass' pop albums, then we must exclude Genesis, Yes and Pink Floyd too. Fair?
Yes, the first 2 albums were prog!
 
But I hate the fact that we will get pple here thinking we are morons for including on a prog site 'April Sun in Cuba' or 'Rain'.
 
If we could ignore their catalogue after the first 2 albums that would be terrific, but I guess that wont happen. Cry  


That's what the ratings and reviews are for... when people see that their later albums are rated 1 and 2 stars, they will know they are rubbish. Anway, I doubt many people would bother reviewing them anyway. Dragon are hardly well known even in NZ.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 01:51
Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

i am not really in favour because the bulk of their output was crass pop....
 
If anything it is crossover i suppose, but not very sure about this band - 2 albums in an early phase that were totally forgotten in the 80s.
 
Nobody talked about them and they were an Australian sensation with their radio stuff!


All a band requires to be included on this site is ONE PROGRESSIVE ALBUM. Dragon produced two, then went poppy when they moved to Australia (go figure?).

If we exclude bands who made 'crass' pop albums, then we must exclude Genesis, Yes and Pink Floyd too. Fair?
Yes, the first 2 albums were prog!
 
But I hate the fact that we will get pple here thinking we are morons for including on a prog site 'April Sun in Cuba' or 'Rain'.
 
If we could ignore their catalogue after the first 2 albums that would be terrific, but I guess that wont happen. Cry  


That's what the ratings and reviews are for... when people see that their later albums are rated 1 and 2 stars, they will know they are rubbish. Anway, I doubt many people would bother reviewing them anyway. Dragon are hardly well known even in NZ.
I can believe that too. They are still played on the radio as iconic Aus/NZ legends but I dont think they have an impact worldwide. Well they can go for it. But what genre - crossover? Surely not pure prog....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 01:54
Crossover/Symphonic for me, but I'm not a specialist in either genre, so that can be left up to the collabs who are.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 02:06
^ You wave a persuasive wand. I think I am convinced of crossover if not symp too, like you. We will have to consider this when Ivan gets back...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 05:10
Originally posted by GentleGiant GentleGiant wrote:

I am not from NZ or Australia but also I know  :
Schtung:   http://www.myspace.com/schtung77


I think they are under evaluation already, I've seen Moris from the Eclectic Team promoting them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 09:59
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by GentleGiant GentleGiant wrote:

I am not from NZ or Australia but also I know  :
Schtung:   http://www.myspace.com/schtung77


I think they are under evaluation already, I've seen Moris from the Eclectic Team promoting them.


Yep:  Schtung (New Zealand, Eclectic?)

Moris brought it to Eclectic and I believe we both had some reservations about it in Eclectic due to mainstream qualities,

It's one for an Art Rock sub.  I was leaning towards Crossover, and wanted to hear more music before making a final decision, but basically I felt that if Crossover didn't want it then would vote Eclectic.  Moris brought it to the Crossover team to see what they think, but I haven't followed the case since then.

EDIT: I just deleted a duplicate post on this that I just noticed now that was posted some twenty minutes later, though I only posted once (some weird forum bug or more likely a problem with my computer where something was re-set it was sent again).


Edited by Logan - May 28 2010 at 16:35
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2010 at 10:45
Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

As ozzy_tom has pointed out, the first two Dragon albums are progressive rock, the latter ones more pop based, but still with symphonic touches.
 
They would easily be prog-related in my book
 
 
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