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    Posted: May 28 2010 at 18:50
Here is the thread for poeple like me that like prog, and don't feel that rap is the lowest type of music, In fact, I have more rap on my iTunes than prog. I'll stop now to say that Lil Wayne is not what I call ''good rap'', but there is sucky prog just like their is sucky rap and I don't see why lots of poeple here often say (not directly) that rap suck or that it's ppor lyrically and musically. Probably because most of you are American borned, American raised, ad think that Lil Wayne and 50 cent are the best...personnaly, the best lyrics I know are from rap song, mainly European/African Freanch rap, even if some american groups are good too ( Immortal Technique, Eminem, Aotp and JMT for example ). It's true that I prefer Prog, butI have to admit that rap is still my 2nd favorite music type. There's so much great rapper in Europe ( Oxmo Puccino, Don Choa, FF, Vaï, Haroun, Scred Connex ). I was wondering if anyone else liked underground rap in here, or every prog fans are sticked to prog, just like every rap fans are sticked to rap
 
Here's some example of Rap (I remind you in this case that i used the word RaP as it's original meaning ''Rhyme and Poesy'', not as its contemporary meanin '' Sexy bitches, Pimped Car, Guns and Drug dealin'' ) that even you , rap hater could see rap in another way.(it's french rap, sry that you can't understand the beaty of the lyrics, but trust me, he's not talking about bitches in the Jacuzzi)
 
 
Go to 1:25 on this one, that's great jazzy blusy beat
 
 
If you want to hear good rap lyrics, take a look at this vid, hes talkin about war in Irak, dissin Bush and so on.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 19:12
I listened to rap a lot before prog. My favorite groups were Public Enemy and A Tribe Called Quest. I didn't care for much newer rap except for Kanye's first two albums, and early Eminem, though those aren't very new when rap is concerned.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 19:37
Wyclef Jean's The Carnival is the best rap album.

I also like Outkast.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 19:44


The zenith, as far as compositions go. Oh, the things you could get away with in the 80s! This kind of sample-based mania is impossible to replicate, given the way licensing fees skyrocketed once the 90s hit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 19:47
I listen to a bit of rap, but only because one of the groups I hang out with does when we're chillin.  Some of it is OKAY, I would never choose to listen to it over rock, jazz, or blues
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 21:49
Great to see another prog/rap fan around, there aren't too many of us. I'm a Busdriver fan too!
 
I'm interested in progressive rap- though it doesn't exactly exist as a genre, there certainly are things that push in that direction like Canibus, Deltron 3030, Dalek, Bike For Three, Antipop Consortium, the general output of labels like Def Jux and Anticon. Some faves include Why, Deep Puddle Dynamics, El-P, Cannibal Ox, Aesop Rock, Sole.
 
You've got to check for Mr Lif's I Phantom, that's a real favourite of mine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 22:37
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Wyclef Jean's The Carnival is the best rap album.

I also like Outkast.

I would have to agree re: Wyclef Jean's album. I also like Outkast and some of Jay-Z Embarrassed

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 23:26
My favorite rap group is easily Wu-Tang Clan (and everyone in it), and Biggie Smalls is a huge influence on me as well. As far as instrumentals go, I pretty much strictly stick to DJ Shadow. Here's some of my favorite rap songs (today):



One of my all time favorites:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 23:39
Some rappers are sampling great music:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2010 at 23:51
Really going to have to look up Deltron 3030, the above track seemed pretty interesting. Have seen this album on lists all over the internet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 01:00
People like Chris Dave and Robert Glasper combining hip-hop and jazz to make new exciting music.
 
 
I love underground hip-hop just as much if not more than prog. Pretty much anything Madlib does I really enjoy. Favorite hip-hop album is Quasimoto - The Unseen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 01:14

Love those conscious rappers too- not just the old school like Public Enemy and Poor Righteous Teachers but also the new guys like NY Oil and Immortal Technique.

 
Also, Homeboy Sandman is about to drop a new album, The Good Sun. He's well worth checking out if you're into top-notch lyricism.
 
I bet some of you guys would also like nerdcore rappers like MC Frontalot, MC Chris, YT Cracker and so on. Imagine if Wierd Al became a full time rapper more or less.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 02:25
Originally posted by MusicForSpeedin MusicForSpeedin wrote:

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I love underground hip-hop just as much if not more than prog. Pretty much anything Madlib does I really enjoy. Favorite hip-hop album is Quasimoto - The Unseen.... [/snip]


Good clip.  I have the Quasimoto - The Unseen Instrumentals album and like it quite a lot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 02:38
Originally posted by Floydfreakinfan Floydfreakinfan wrote:

Really going to have to look up Deltron 3030, the above track seemed pretty interesting. Have seen this album on lists all over the internet.


It's good from what clips I've heard.  I go to know that track because I'm fan of the William Sheller album it samples: Here's the Sheller track from Lux Aeterna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uclxW5WS-M

Here's another rap track that samples a piece from an album I really like (uses David Axelrod's "Holy Thursday".



And here's Holy THursday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2OkMHvPXko

What I've found is that a lot of rappers are sampling/ have smapled a lot of the music I'm really into these days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 05:51
My favorite artist/ bands are Public Enemy, Beastie Boys and Wu Tang Clan. Not really familiar with the genre though. 

Does anyone like De La Soul? I still have to listen to them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 06:33
In my opinion, De La Soul are one of the great rap groups of all time.
 
Three Feet High And Rising
De La Soul Is Dead
Buhloone Mindstate
Stakes Is High
The Grind Date
 
Classics all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 09:33
Some suggestions :

- Beastie Boys' 'Paul's Boutique',
- P.O.S.' 'never better',
- AntiPop Consortium's 'tragic epilogue',
- The Avalanches' since I left you',
- Clouddead's 'self-titled album',
- Boom bip & doesone's 'circle,
- Dälek's 'absence',
- Cypress Hill's 'III : temples of boom',
- Kill the vultures' 'the careless flame',
- Mobb Deep's 'the infamous',
- Nas' 'illmatic',
- Outkast's 'aquemini',
- Sage Francis' 'a healthy distrust',
- Viktor Vaughn's 'vaudeville villain',
- Wu-Tang Clan's 'enter the Wu-Tang (36 chambers)'


"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 11:29
Some good choices on that list lucas, I particularly like Illmatic as an album. I prefer the first 2 Cypress Hill albums to Temples of Boom though, Black Sunday in particular is a mind-blowing record!!! Dr. Dre's "The Chronic" is well worth a listen too! Cool
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 11:48
you're right the lowest form of music is either punk, or what some people are tagging "dubstep" which i don't get because it isnt dub and the only thing i'd step on is one of the albums, anyone whos aware what it is which i'm not but as far as i can make out it's music where you can only listen too it if the whole pitch takes place below 20 hz can only be played out of your bowels and, well i'm just ranting now...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2010 at 12:41
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

you're right the lowest form of music is either punk, or what some people are tagging "dubstep" which i don't get because it isnt dub and the only thing i'd step on is one of the albums, anyone whos aware what it is which i'm not but as far as i can make out it's music where you can only listen too it if the whole pitch takes place below 20 hz can only be played out of your bowels and, well i'm just ranting now...
I was in a hardcore punk band. It is a lot harder than you think it is to make that type of music. I would dare to say it is harder than most intricate music within prog because it is so much more subtle in punk and hardcore when you throw in odd meters because everything is happening so fast it just sounds like noise.
 
To keep this post relevant to the topic here is a video of Ras G & The Afrikan Space Program
 
There is also a Frank Zappa tribute hip-hop album by Manz and Mr. Fantaztix called Hot Trax. Pretty amazing using such tracks as Fancy Peaches and March of the Yellow Fins.
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