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    Posted: August 16 2012 at 10:26
Well ok, prog-related might be the best case then. I did think people would find this intrusion of blues, harmonica and other stuff into keyboard music more charming than just watering down the prog. Should I be sending PM's then to special collaborators or does this already have attention of someone reading this thread?



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Please, send me all the info availlable, and I will contact an Administrator to see if the addition is possioble.

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Please, send me all the info availlable, and I will contact an Administrator to see if the addition to Prog Related is possible.

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Originally posted by historian9

Well ok, prog-related might be the best case then. I did think people would find this intrusion of blues, harmonica and other stuff into keyboard music more charming than just watering down the prog. Should I be sending PM's then to special collaborators or does this already have attention of someone reading this thread?




Already took the case to an Administrator, we will have to wait until they decide.

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Well guys, the case was presented to the Administrator's Team and by reasons I understand, didn't accepted the band in Prog Related.

There's nothing more we can do, they have the last word in this case and it was no.

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This is a surprising outcome - I understand why symphonic would reject them, but not even prog-related?
 
What were the reasons?
 
I get that the decision is final - I'm interested in the reasons in case they apply to any other band I might want to suggest in the future. (There's a heap of Australian bands that don't seem to have been discussed here yet.)
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Should be in crossover, or symph.   
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Originally posted by irrelevant

Should be in crossover, or symph.   

Please Irrelevant, we know what we do

1.- Crossover rejected them, THAT'S A SIGN THAT THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS PROG RELATED
2.- The three members of teh Symphonic Team, Lazland (with whom we rarely agree, SMURPH (Don't know him), Marty McFly, Andy Webb (Who's opinion I respect) and Sl75 agree they are not Symphonic.
3. Proggnosis says

4.- Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Progressive Rock doesn't even mention them
5.- DPRP Doesn't mention
6.- ProgressoR as long as I notice, doesn't even mentiobn Chetarca
7.- Progrtessiveears says:

Chetarca Blues band turned Prog. ELP and Nektar influenced 

Ambiguous to say the less

8.- ProgressiveRock.com (Strawberry Bricks), doesn't mention them
9.- Sea opf Tranquility doesn't mention them, 

0 Record(s) found for "Chetarca" by All


10.- I sent the band to the Prog Related team, and they (who know their work), decided Chetarca doesn't fit in Prog Related on August last year

So it's evident, the band is not Symphonic.

Sorry, I also believed they could be PR, but I respect the administrator's work.

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^ I stand by my opinion, not that it matters anyway.   

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On a general point

A lack of listing with X Y & Z may be more of a pointer to an artist's obscurity, rather than their lack of credentials.

As far as I can tell from quick perusal, most of those sites cover hardly any Australian music of the era at all.
 
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Originally posted by sl75


As far as I can tell from quick perusal, most of those sites cover hardly any Australian music of the era at all.
 

Luckilly we cover them


AEON OF HORUSTech/Extreme Prog Metal
AHKMEDPsychedelic/Space Rock
ALARUMTech/Extreme Prog Metal
ALCHEMISTTech/Extreme Prog Metal
ALITHIAPsychedelic/Space Rock
DAEVID ALLENCanterbury Scene
ALPHA OMEGAPsychedelic/Space Rock
ALTERA ENIGMATech/Extreme Prog Metal
THE AMENTATech/Extreme Prog Metal
ANUBISNeo-Prog
APRICOT RAILPost Rock/Math rock
AQUANAUTPsychedelic/Space Rock
ARAGONNeo-Prog
ARCANEHeavy Prog
ARIELProg Related
ARNIOECrossover Prog
AYERS ROCKJazz Rock/Fusion
BAKExperimental/Post Metal
BAKERYHeavy Prog
BECAUSE OF GHOSTSPost Rock/Math rock
IVAN BERTOLLAProgressive Metal
BRAINSTORMPsychedelic/Space Rock
BREAKING ORBITHeavy Prog
CHRIS BROOKSProgressive Metal
CALIGULA'S HORSEProgressive Metal
CHAOS DIVINETech/Extreme Prog Metal
THE CHURCHProg Related
CIRCLESTech/Extreme Prog Metal
COSMIC NOMADSHeavy Prog
BEN CRAVENCrossover Prog
CYBOTRONProgressive Electronic
DEAD CAN DANCEProg Folk
DEAD LETTER CIRCUSNeo-Prog
DEAD LETTER OPENERTech/Extreme Prog Metal
THE DEAD SEAPost Rock/Math rock
THE DEATH COBRAHeavy Prog
DIRTY THREEPost Rock/Math rock
VIRGIL DONATIJazz Rock/Fusion
DRUNKEN GUNMENPsychedelic/Space Rock
ENNĎS TÓLACrossover Prog
ENTER TWILIGHTProgressive Metal
FEARSCAPETech/Extreme Prog Metal
FRACTUREProgressive Metal
FRATERNITYEclectic Prog
GALADRIELProg Folk
HALCYONExperimental/Post Metal
HEIRSExperimental/Post Metal
HEMINAProgressive Metal
HOTEL WRECKING CITY TRADERSPsychedelic/Space Rock
IRONWOODExperimental/Post Metal
KAISER AND THE MACHINES OF CREATIONProgressive Metal
ARIEL KALMAProgressive Electronic
KANGURUIndo-Prog/Raga Rock
KARNIVOOLHeavy Prog
KATABASISTech/Extreme Prog Metal
KETTLESPIDERHeavy Prog
PAUL KIDNEY EXPERIENCEPsychedelic/Space Rock
LAURAPost Rock/Math rock
A LONELY CROWDHeavy Prog
THE LONGEST DAYPsychedelic/Space Rock
IAN MACFARLANEProgressive Electronic
MACKENZIE THEORYJazz Rock/Fusion
MADDEN AND HARRISProg Folk
THE MASTERS APPRENTICESProto-Prog
MENISCUSExperimental/Post Metal
THE MERLIN BIRDProg Folk
MARIO MILLOSymphonic Prog
MONTRESORHeavy Prog
MUSHROOM GIANTPsychedelic/Space Rock
MYRIADPsychedelic/Space Rock
NE OBLIVISCARISTech/Extreme Prog Metal
CHRIS NEALCrossover Prog
NEATHTech/Extreme Prog Metal
NEXUSTech/Extreme Prog Metal
NIMRODCrossover Prog
NOCTISExperimental/Post Metal
GAVIN O'LOGHLEN & COTTERS BEQUESTProg Folk
OCHREProgressive Metal
THE OVALSPsychedelic/Space Rock
PATCHCrossover Prog
PEAKProgressive Electronic
PIRANACrossover Prog
PIRATEHeavy Prog
PONDPsychedelic/Space Rock
PORTALTech/Extreme Prog Metal
PSYCROPTICTech/Extreme Prog Metal
PVT (PIVOT)Post Rock/Math rock
QUANDARYProgressive Metal
QUASARJazz Rock/Fusion
RAINBOW GENERATORProgressive Electronic
RAINBOW THEATRESymphonic Prog
RESONAXISCrossover Prog
SCLERATech/Extreme Prog Metal
SEBASTIAN HARDIESymphonic Prog
SERIOUS BEAKTech/Extreme Prog Metal
SH'MANTRAPsychedelic/Space Rock
SLEEPMAKESWAVESPost Rock/Math rock
SNAKES ALIVECrossover Prog
GREG SNEDDONCrossover Prog
SOLKYRIPost Rock/Math rock
SPECTRUMCrossover Prog
SQUAT CLUBHeavy Prog
THE SUN BLINDNESSPsychedelic/Space Rock
THE SUNPILOTSCrossover Prog
SUPERDENSECRUSHLOADFACTORRIO/Avant-Prog
SYZYGYProgressive Metal
TALIESINProgressive Metal
TAMAM SHUDCrossover Prog
TANGLED THOUGHTS OF LEAVINGPost Rock/Math rock
TARAMISTech/Extreme Prog Metal
THE THIRD ENDINGCrossover Prog
THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKINGPost Rock/Math rock
TRANSCENDING MORTALITYProgressive Metal
TULLYEclectic Prog
UMLÄUTEclectic Prog
UNITOPIACrossover Prog
VANISHING POINTProgressive Metal
VAUXDVIHLProgressive Metal
VIRGIN BLACKExperimental/Post Metal
VOYAGERProgressive Metal
WHEN DAY DESCENDSExperimental/Post Metal
TAL WILKENFELDJazz Rock/Fusion
WINDCHASESymphonic Prog
WITHOUTENDINGProgressive Metal


I'm almost sure Australia is one of the top 15 countries with more bands in PA....121 (Probably after Italy, UK, USA Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Japan Canada, Argentina and Brazil

Iván


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Be assured that I already knew how to find the Australia page.

 
My observation was actually about 'Australian music of the era' (ie the 1970s) - with that qualification, there's only 26 Australian artists 'of the era' on this site so far. Better than most other international sites, but still not exhaustive. Deciding whether or not to include an artist by benchmarking against even less-exhaustive sites doesn't seem helpful.
 
 


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Originally posted by sl75

Be assured that I already knew how to find the Australia page.

 
My observation was actually about 'Australian music of the era' (ie the 1970s) - with that qualification, there's only 26 Australian artists 'of the era' on this site so far. Better than most other international sites, but still not exhaustive. Deciding whether or not to include an artist by benchmarking against even less-exhaustive sites doesn't seem helpful.
 
 

Most of us are not Australian my friend, and for that reason unfamiliar with bands from this country.

There are very rare Peruvian bands, and when I joined PA, I had to suggest, add and make the first reviews for Traffic Sound and Laghonia, because except Cesar Inca and Myself, few people knew about them.

The teams are open and willing to receive your suggestions WITH SAMPLES AND FULL LIST OF RELEASES, which we will evaluate ASAP (Symph Team evaluates them normally in the first 24 hours), you can send me a PM and I assure you I'll forward it to my teammates immediately

Norm, there are three possibilities

1.- It's Symphonic (Or Xover or Neo or whatever), then we accept them and add the band ASAP (We usually do this in the first 48 hours), wee need at least 2 positive votes and one abstention. We ask you, the band (if it exists) or any member idf they can write the bio, if not, we manage.

2.- It's Prog but doesn't fit in our genre, then we notify IMMEDIATELY the other team we believe the band fits better.

3.- It's not Prog so we notify in the original thread or the member, and if some Special Collaborator believes so, he notifies the Administrators for Prog Related.

In the case of Chetarca, they were rejected by XOVER, of course by SYMPHONIC (even when we didn't need to do it when Xover already rejected them and didn't send them to us).

I took the case personally and sent a PM to the Administrators for PR, but they decide and we respect their opinion.

If you have a suggestion, you can send me a copy of it to my PM.

Iván 



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Well, I was just about to suggest Chetarca as a missing piece of the Aussie prog jigsaw puzzle, given all the Aussie artists that have been added in my hiatus...and I stumble across this thread. 

I must admit the failure for Chetarca to get a guernsey in either Crossover or Symph surprises me. I have made a point of listening the Chetarca again right now and, other than the use of harmonica here and there (as part of Chetarca's eclecticism), I hear striking similarities to ELP, especially in parts of 'The Oceanic Suite' opus.

To dismiss Chetarca based on the bluesy-ness of a short song like 'Another Day' and the use of some harmonica as part of their soundscape seems a bit like suggesting we dismiss ELP from Symph based on 'Benny the Bouncer' or 'Jeremy Bender'. Is that how I am reading the preceding discussions?

Chetarca's work is not broad -  just the one album - however it is mostly progressive from where I sit. Personally I would have no qualms whatsoever including Chetarca in Symphonic...and would do so before Crossover.

IMO a rethink is really required here Smile


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^ Agreed. Here they were given the "AOR" tag of all things, which to me is almost laughable. 

To sum up, we have a band that could at least easily fit in crossover, but because of the way things have turned out with the genre votes (a big fat negs from all teams involved), we have a band that should be here, but probably won't be due to procedure.  
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Originally posted by irrelevant

^ Agreed. Here they were given the "AOR" tag of all things, which to me is almost laughable. 

To sum up, we have a band that could at least easily fit in crossover, but because of the way things have turned out with the genre votes (a big fat negs from all teams involved), we have a band that should be here, but probably won't be due to procedure.  

Chetarca was rejected by Symph and Crossover (In the case of Symph it was unanimous).

Please, it was rejected by the Prog Related Team.

I sent them to PR, I sponsored them, but the Admins (Who's opinion I respect), considered that they were not PR.

Can't do more


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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Originally posted by irrelevant

^ Agreed. Here they were given the "AOR" tag of all things, which to me is almost laughable. 

To sum up, we have a band that could at least easily fit in crossover, but because of the way things have turned out with the genre votes (a big fat negs from all teams involved), we have a band that should be here, but probably won't be due to procedure.  

Chetarca was rejected by Symph and Crossover (In the case of Symph it was unanimous).

Please, it was rejected by the Prog Related Team.

I sent them to PR, I sponsored them, but the Admins (Who's opinion I respect), considered that they were not PR.

Can't do more
I think we've had this discussion before. Yeah, I realised there's no way.

We'll just have to wait for them to release a new album... 
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As we would expect, the likelihood of a 70's band releasing a new album is extremely slim.

The Prognossis AOR reference is plain wrong. I wonder it that could be a mistake on that site?

Let us Google Chetarca and progressive to see what things come up (PA excluded)...

http://www.last.fm/music/Chetarca

http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/chetarca/chetarca/

http://www.alexgitlin.com/npp/chetarca.htm

http://cdreissuewishlist.blogspot.com.au/2010/06/chetarca-australia.html

http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com.au/2007/10/chetarca-stlp1975australia.html

http://www.gemm.com/store/PROGRESSIVEROCK/item/CHETARCA-CHETERCA-LP/1422822468

Just a few of examples all citing that Chetarca fits into the progressive rock category. How many more do we need before something gives way?

Is it time for PA to be progressive and be the first site to grant Chetarca the recognition deserved?


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Originally posted by T.Rox

As we would expect, the likelihood of a 70's band releasing a new album is extremely slim.

The Prognossis AOR reference is plain wrong. I wonder it that could be a mistake on that site?

Let us Google Chetarca and progressive to see what things come up (PA excluded)...

http://www.last.fm/music/Chetarca

http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/chetarca/chetarca/

http://www.alexgitlin.com/npp/chetarca.htm

http://cdreissuewishlist.blogspot.com.au/2010/06/chetarca-australia.html

http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com.au/2007/10/chetarca-stlp1975australia.html

http://www.gemm.com/store/PROGRESSIVEROCK/item/CHETARCA-CHETERCA-LP/1422822468

Just a few of examples all citing that Chetarca fits into the progressive rock category. How many more do we need before something gives way?

Is it time for PA to be progressive and be the first site to grant Chetarca the recognition deserved?



Not in Symphonic, we already checked them and twice

Plus at least the three quotes you cite, are exact, all copied from the same source and the other 2 are ambiguous to say the less.

They were rejected by three teams and Prog Related, please accept it, they won't be here


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Never say 'never' Wink
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