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Posted: August 15 2010 at 03:07
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If you knew her music like I do you wouldn't even be questioning the addition.
Indeed! Why do pop-based additions get so much flak, there are so many additions on this site that aren't strictly prog, in what way is Tori less 'legitimate' than them? It's well that the addition seems to have taken place quietly.
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Posted: August 15 2010 at 03:17
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Having some popular success doesn't necessarily make your music pop...
Well, it's essentially what I would call pop. Having said that, I haven't gone beyond From the Choirgirl Hotel and maybe her style is radically different and far more proggy after that, wouldn't know. Could be put under piano rock, some sorta art rock too. It's not full blown prog, but not a whole lot 90s onwards is, anyway, outside Avant/RIO.
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Posted: August 15 2010 at 03:22
Her addition was a surprise for me. I advocated for it. She can play keyboards as good as any of the top officially prog keyboardists. Excellent lyricist as well.
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 07:22
I don't want to compare her with other artists on this site. Looking at her alone, I don't think she's more prog than Susanne Vega or Sheryl Crow and personally I like them two more than Tori Amos.
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 09:47
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She's a more comfortable fit than Nine Inch Nails and they got in before her.
Please tell me you're lying.
I know them both well and I would have put Tori in before NIN. Though they are both on the fringe of prog, I think they are both worthy inclusions. Controversiality was to be expected with both of them. So, if you like them and/or know the music, review, if you don't, ignore.
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 16:41
Slartibartfast wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Textbook wrote:
She's a more comfortable fit than Nine Inch Nails and they got in before her.
Please tell me you're lying.
I know them both well and I would have put Tori in before NIN. Though they are both on the fringe of prog, I think they are both worthy inclusions. Controversiality was to be expected with both of them. So, if you like them and/or know the music, review, if you don't, ignore.
I so wish you guys would approve Laurie Anderson (to my ears, she has a much stronger case). I looked into Tori Amos music before (maybe not enough, but I followed song suggestions of those who wanted her in) and I was left under-impressed for PA inclusion. If she were quirkier, I'd be more accepting. Speaking of female artists, I would have sooner seen Bjork in. I'm not saying the team got it wrong, of course, just that my impressions based on limited listening left me thinking that she was no more than Related at best.
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 16:45
Laurie Anderson and Carla Bley. They should have a dedicated sub-genre. The problem is with "rock". I never heard anything of Laurie Anderson that can be called Rock. A bit more with Carla Bley.
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 16:57
Laurie isn't conventional rock. If being conventional "rock' is all that counts then there are a lot of artists who should be tossed out. What makes prog great is the music that doesn't fit neatly in the box.
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 16:58
^ Edit, you said it so much better, not conventional rock (hadn't read you response when I wrote the following paragraphs). And in a way, I see progressive rock as a progression away from rock (moving farther from the rock lexicon, and we have embraced much music at PA that people would not generally consider rock -- but I can stile place it in the greater rock universe). Prog should be, I think, in large part about getting away from conventions.
I know this is a progressive rock site, but rock is not really essential (can be rock-related, even in a fairly loose manner). I think Laurie Anderson has music that can be compared to Krautrock artists, and has similarities to music in Electronic. I think Crossover would suit her well for her art pop approach. Anyway, to my ears, she has music that comes closse enough to rock universe to me.
Just posting a couple of ones I like from different albums for those that don't know her (Big Science, in particular, was a favourite album of mine in the 80s, and it still speaks to me).
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Posted: August 16 2010 at 20:26
Logan wrote:
If she were quirkier, I'd be more accepting.
Quirkiness is not a criterion at all, Tori is quirkier than Strawbs that way.
Laurie isn't conventional rock. If being conventional "rock' is all that counts then there are a lot of artists who should be tossed out.
Yes. Actually, Tori is not rock, at least not the first four albums, unless we use a very liberal definition. I wonder why Stevie Wonder was rejected now. Maybe, it's a necessary precondition that a pop artist should have a lot of cool quotient riding on him and not be mega-popular? Or, the Motown label is so abhorrent?
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Slartibartfast wrote:
Maybe, it's a necessary precondition that a pop artist should have a lot of cool quotient riding on him and not be mega-popular? Or, the Motown label is so abhorrent?