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Hawkwise 
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 Posted: September 07 2010 at 06:55 |
Geee has know one ever seen Floyd"s Pompeii i just love watching Nick Mason hit those drums , in his prime he was a fine drummer and far from as being as poor as some people here are saying.
But yeah still voted for me Collins. saw him with Brand x was rather good.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 07:45 |
 Hawkwise wrote:
Geee has know one ever seen Floyd"s Pompeii i just love watching Nick Mason hit those drums , in his prime he was a fine drummer and far from as being as poor as some people here are saying.
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I think so to. In fact Mason underestimates himself, I think he has that sort of character.
His drumming on Saucerful and Ummagumma was quite brilliant. I've no doubt it was technically unsound, but who cares as long as it sounds good.
I find it hard to vote as Collins had some brilliant moments too. In the end i went for Mason because the drumming in the classic Pink Floyd work is slightly more important IMO than the drumming in the classic Genesis work.
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silcir
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 07:57 |
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phil collins. easy choice for me.
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 08:03 |
ten years after wrote:
Hawkwise wrote:
Geee has know one ever seen Floyd"s Pompeii i just love watching Nick Mason hit those drums , in his prime he was a fine drummer and far from as being as poor as some people here are saying.
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I think so to. In fact Mason underestimates himself, I think he has that sort of character.
His drumming on Saucerful and Ummagumma was quite brilliant. I've no doubt it was technically unsound, but who cares as long as it sounds good.
I find it hard to vote as Collins had some brilliant moments too. In the end i went for Mason because the drumming in the classic Pink Floyd work is slightly more important IMO than the drumming in the classic Genesis work. |
It's what I wanted to say, but you said it better 
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Dean
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 08:03 |
lazland wrote:
I think that even the veritable Mr Mason would vote for Phil in this poll. Mason was always very honest about his limitations as a musician, and recall him actually being replaced by session drummers on The Wall & The Final Cut on tracks that called for different signatures - that certainly never happened to Collins. |
It never happened because he would "correct" some of the irrational time-signatures that Rutherford would come up with into something more standard..
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Negoba
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 08:07 |
Mason was a Ringo Starr type, played what was right for the music. Tasty and simple.
Phil Collins was one the most skilled drummers of the 70's, perhaps the best decade for drummers ever.
Sure the guy sang Illegal Alien among other lame choices, but the guy had skill on the skins.
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 09:34 |
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Phil, no doubt.
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Gandalff
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 11:22 |
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Phil Collins of course.
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genbanks
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 12:32 |
40footwolf wrote:
Phil Collins is one of the best drummers alive. Nick Mason...is a drummer. |
That's a good answer. As Wakeman said once, the true about a performer is the live performance. Mason is not bad, but Collins is one of the best.
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Alberto Muńoz
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 12:40 |
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I like both and by this no vote
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genbanks
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 12:46 |
Dean wrote:
It never happened because he would "correct" some of the irrational time-signatures that Rutherford would come up with into something more standard.. |
Never heard this before. Sounds interesting. Could you tell something else about?
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Blacksword
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 13:08 |
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Collins is the better drummer, in the better band, in my opinion. But Mason was a solid and effective drummer, who worked well with Floyd.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 13:18 |
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Nick Mason is a good drummer and did some interesting things with Pink Floyd, but Phil Collins is a great drummer.
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crimhead
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 13:53 |
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To steal and modify an album title from FZ...."Shut up and play your drums".
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Progatron
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 14:14 |
genbanks wrote:
Dean wrote:
It never happened because he would "correct" some of the irrational time-signatures that Rutherford would come up with into something more standard.. |
Never heard this before. Sounds interesting. Could you tell something else about? |
I would gather that he is talking about "Turn It On Again", which they've mentioned many times in interviews was originally in 13/8, but Phil laid down a groove that made it sound a deceptively simple 4/4.
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richardh
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 14:36 |
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There are 16 insane people on the loose. Help!
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octopus-4
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 14:52 |
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There are 16 insane people on the loose. Help! |
Phil Collins is a better drummer but I can't stand his face, do you remember the video of "On the air tonight"? He looks like Death in a Bergman's movie...I feel more sympathy for Mason and the butterfly on his t-shirt at Pompeii (well it was in London but the director didn't tell).
Out of his band Mason produced (and signed) a Carla Bley album and a not so bad collaboration with 10cc's Fenn. Think to what Collins did alone.
Mason never danced with a high-pitched disco performer.
Collins is a great drummer, the problem is that he write songs and sings them. If he was limited to drums he'd have received my vote.
Don't ask me if I prefer Picasso or Bowie as painter. (because I prefer Bowie  )
Last but not least, Nick Mason has still some hair. Phil Collins doesn't.
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genbanks
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 15:32 |
Progatron wrote:
genbanks wrote:
Dean wrote:
It never happened because he would "correct" some of the irrational time-signatures that Rutherford would come up with into something more standard.. |
Never heard this before. Sounds interesting. Could you tell something else about? |
I would gather that he is talking about "Turn It On Again", which they've mentioned many times in interviews was originally in 13/8, but Phil laid down a groove that made it sound a deceptively simple 4/4.
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Ok. I was read and listened this, but I didn't relate it with what Dean said. Thanks anyway.
Edited by genbanks - September 07 2010 at 15:33
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 16:02 |
octopus-4 wrote:
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richardh wrote:
There are 16 insane people on the loose. Help! |
Phil Collins is a better drummer but I can't stand his face, do you remember the video of "On the air tonight"? He looks like Death in a Bergman's movie...I feel more sympathy for Mason and the butterfly on his t-shirt at Pompeii (well it was in London but the director didn't tell).
Out of his band Mason produced (and signed) a Carla Bley album and a not so bad collaboration with 10cc's Fenn. Think to what Collins did alone.
Mason never danced with a high-pitched disco performer.
Collins is a great drummer, the problem is that he write songs and sings them. If he was limited to drums he'd have received my vote.
Don't ask me if I prefer Picasso or Bowie as painter. (because I prefer Bowie )
Last but not least, Nick Mason has still some hair. Phil Collins doesn't.
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All irrelevant as this poll asks for the better drummer. Any other take on it is deficient.
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JROCHA
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 16:38 |
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Phil Collins gets my vote, he was one of the best drummers in the 70's music scene. His work with Brand X and of course Genesis was amazing. One of my all time favorite drummers!
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