Country Joe & The Fish on PA?

Dean wrote: Sorry, but they were never Proto Prog simply because they played no part in the evolution of Progressive Rock and their contribution to the genre was zero.

And what, exactly, were Jefferson Airplane's* and the Doors'* contributions to Prog?

Edited by SteveG - October 11 2015 at 14:36

No, both Jefferson Airplane and The Doors were added when the genre teams were already operative. If I remember correctly, bands such as Triumph or Super Furry Animals were added to Prog Related in the early days of the site, but most of those "controversial" additions already existed when I joined the site in the summer of 2005.

I feel like if we include Country Joe then we'll have to have a conversation about Wavy Gravy and the like.  Seems like another one of those slippery slopes.

Smurph wrote: Yea. Those less famous weird psyche bands (?) running all through California from 66-68 most likely didn't have much influence on prog. Certainly the 13th Floor Elevators would deserve to be here even more than Country Joe but they don't deserve to be here due to their obscurity. There's a HUGE slew of those kinds of bands.

Most people  know Country Joe from his solo Woodstock rant The Fish Cheer. (Give me a F, etc.) The material Joe did as Country Joe & Fish is electric psych rock, like this stoner gem from their first album tilted Section 43:

Edited by SteveG - October 13 2015 at 16:19

Once again, we go through the same old song and dance about why an artist that's Proto Prog cannot be included in PA because contributors, admins and numerous ex admins, that haunt this site, feel that the music of said artists has no known influence on prog artists, while expounding on artists that they perceive to have been influential without offering a single shred of collaborating evidence, such as artist testimonials, in order to back up such claims. I wouldn't mind if these PA members just stated that the site no longer wants to include new Proto Prog artists and it's contrary to the sites owners to remove artists once they are listed in any genre. But that's too easy and decent.The above noted video from Country Joe & The Fish is an actual Progressive Rock song. It's not a prog song. It doesn't fall into the category of being a watered down version of previously established groups. It's not 'Neo' to any other group or genre. They are the originals. This song lacks any semblance of a conventional rock song of it's time (47 years ago) in that it lacks a verse, chorus, verse, chorus vocal structure and goes off on unexpected, albeit brief, instrumental sections before unfolding in a heavily distorted guitar jam.Do I expect the above mentioned to recognize the song as nascent Progressive Rock? Hell no. These are some of the same people that think that a folk rock song must always contain elements of actual folk music.

Edited by SteveG - October 14 2015 at 10:04