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Gandalff
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Topic: Tommy or Arthur? Posted: October 13 2010 at 06:19 |
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Full name of The Kinks´ album: Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire).
I don´t comprehend why The Who, The Beatles or The Doors are included here as Proto-Prog, but The Kinks don´t. Just for Arthur they would deserve it.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 06:22 |
I don't know Arthur......so I voted Tommy.
Nah...no vote.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 06:36 |
I agree. Unfortunately, I have never heard ARTHUR in its entirety, so I cannot vote in your poll. However, the tracks I HAVE heard (i.e. those included in the PICTUREBOOK box set, which came out a few years ago) fully justify the Kinks' status as a proto-prog band.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 07:04 |
fuxi wrote:
I agree.
Unfortunately, I have never heard ARTHUR in its entirety, so I cannot vote in your poll. However, the tracks I HAVE heard (i.e. those included in the PICTUREBOOK box set, which came out a few years ago) fully justify the Kinks' status as a proto-prog band. |
There is much merit in this opinion but I guess that the Kinks have been considered and rejected for proto-prog umpteen times before? BTW Although Arthur is clearly a bona fide concept album, it ain't a very good one even by Kinks standards: Lola versus Powerman, Village Green Preservation Society or Muswell Hillbillies are the best collections of thematically linked Kinks songs IMO
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 07:08 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 07:18 |
^ take it away Snowdog...
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LudwigBrahms
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 10:21 |
We are the draught beer preservation society God save Mrs. Mopp and good old mother Riley.
I chose the Kinks.
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Jörgemeister
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 10:22 |
never heard the kinks, so i guess i wont vote, anyway, the blind deaf and mute boy seems to be leading (where to?. we'll never now) anyway
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:15 |
Tommy can you hear me?
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lazland
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:08 |
I would happily accept The Kinks on the site. Having said that, Arthur is not one of their better efforts.
Tommy, on the other hand, is a seminal piece of work.
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Ruby900
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:16 |
Has to b Tommy.
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LudwigBrahms
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:26 |
lazland wrote:
I would happily accept The Kinks on the site. Having said that, Arthur is not one of their better efforts.
Tommy, on the other hand, is a seminal piece of work.
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Actually a lot of critics over the years have agreed that they kinda stole the idea from The Pretty Things S.F. Sorrow.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:30 |
Very close call but Tommy had to steal it for me. Got to love the movie aswell! Oliver Reed as the stepfather was classic.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:31 |
Many of those who have not heard the Kinks, may hate them. The old saying is "You either love them or hate them"....which is explained why in the booklet for the Kinks Kronikles. It is not possible to justify to proggies and rockers as to why I have always liked them or what in particular I like about them. As I have met people that love early Prog or early British Blues bands and in the same breath love Neil Young. They expect me to understand and except for a song titled "The Loner" and a few others, I really don't. So, I should say that The Kinks are to me what Neil Young is to you. The annoying basic chord structures that annoy proggies and jazzers and many music fans that are annoyed with the voice of Ray Davies. It's just one of those deals where all the things that annoy people about Kinks music, are the things that I love. They are a strange listening experience though on a cold snowy winter's night. Especially...Arthur, Muswell Hillbillies, and Percy. There is hardly an in-between. You either love them or hate them.
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June
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:55 |
Arthur
I found Tommy boring as heck.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:04 |
Tommy is good, Arthur is a masterpiece.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:19 |
I do not know Arthur. Is it related to the Dudley Moore movie of the same name?
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Intruder
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 23:10 |
Love both albums, but Tommy gets my vote. I actually like the Arthur tracks that Raymond Douglas has performed on his recent tours.....every song on the original seems to be in the same key and in the same timing. His solo renditions add a subtlety that was missing on the LP.
In terms of theme, I prefer Arthur....Ray always knew how to add humor to even the most delicate subjects. In terms of music, the Who! There were no overdubs and Pete doesn't even display his power chording all that much (says it was 'cause of Hendrix....he just gave up trying after seeing a Hendrix show around the time of the recording of Tommy)....it was just a trio with an occasional french horn added, yet the whole things sounds almost orchestral.
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40footwolf
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 23:13 |
rushfan4 wrote:
I do not know Arthur. Is it related to the Dudley Moore movie of the same name? |
No, not at all. Although that was a good movie.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 23:51 |
Unquesyionably Arthur. What a brilliant record. I don't like the Who that much.
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