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Originally posted by Canterzeuhl Canterzeuhl wrote:

Whoa thanks! Looks like I'd better get 'Finer Moments' to hear it properly.
Yeah, my tutor had a brilliant taste in music, but clearly his sources were dubious. He gave me a CD entitled 'Carlos Hagen Presents Frank Zappa, Little Theater, Mount St. Mary's College, KPFK-FM with the Pomona Valley Symphony Orchestra'.

It's a 1963 concert recording with pretty atrocious sound quality. You have to turn the volume up to maximum to hear anything, and by that time your in a world of tape hiss.

I've got that. My version isn't too bad on sound quality, although a lot of it is muddled. It's a very interesting performance
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Listening to Cucamongo right now. Interesting listen, but I find it pretty enjoyable. Funny enough that it would probably be the first thing I listen to when I eventually do a chronological Zappa marathon.
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I am pursuing my difficult musical relationship with Frank Zappa. Sleep Dirt seems to be a good step after Burnt Weeny Sandwich Question
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God !  Sleep Dirt is fantastic. So different. Darker, more melancholic than anything I had heard so far. I love all the songs, all the solos. Apostrophe, Overnite, Burnt, Sleep dirt... Next sept :  Lather Question I don't know.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2013 at 21:19
^ Sounds good to me!!! Although, I think you should get One Size Fits All or Roxy & Elsewhere first, then get the mammoth Lather.

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Here, everything becomes more difficult. I love Roxy, but other albums like "One size, Hot Rats, Zoot, Uncle, Grand Wazoo, Waka, Lumpy and the three first Mothers have never satisfied me completely. I'm looking for something else, something that I have found in Burnt and Sleep Dirt, a cohesion that finally matches the dream of music I had in mind. Zappa and me, it is an old story of love and hate. At this moment, I remember a melody that I thought forgotten: the conclusive piece of 200 motels, a very simple song that gradually turns into opera. I think that's what I'm currently looking for. Any suggestion Question
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It sounds like you like Zappa music that's hard to classify as either rock, classical, or jazz, but contains elements of all three.  Weeny and Sleep Dirt both seem to have this quality.  Maybe Orchestral Favorites would be a good one for you.  It's also in that strange intersection between classical, rock, and jazz, focusing on orchestral arrangements.  It's pretty closely tied to 200 Motels, too, as the movie's closing piece "Strictly Genteel" is revisited here, and "Bogus Pomp" incorporates themes from 200 Motels also (e.g. "This Town is a Sealed Tuna Sandwich").  There's also a new version of  "Duke of Prunes" from the 2nd Mothers album and adds a neat feedbacky guitar solo like you heard on Sleep Dirt.


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Hummm ... So, Studio Tan and Orchestral favorites or Lather ? Or the three ones ?
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The first time I heard Frank Zappa's music was at my cousin's house in 1972. The whole entire evening was off the wall and shocking to me ..as I was only like 15 years old and he proceeded to play the GTO'S album, Wild Man Fischer, Captain Beefheart, and Lord Buckley. As termed often as "Outsider Music", a bunch of us were visiting my cousin that evening and simply had no idea/clue what kind of music this specifically was or the overall concept of the meaning behind Zappa signing such artists and his purpose (if any?), to make the music available to fans of his own. My cousin played the Bizzare/Straight albums and they were interspersed between his Zappa albums. We were all a bunch of "hippie wanna-be's" who had  brothers/sisters 5 or 6 years older that were "real hippies" before Madison Ave got a hold of them. At one time I owned about 6 of those Bizzare/Straight releases on LP, later trading them and can't recall the sequence musically/mentally of their sound or characteristic. I am just now listening to "An Evening With Wild Man Fischer" and other  thoughts begin to submerged. First time I heard --The Residents and Throbbing Gristle I remember being curious and my mind thought..you've been here before. And I still wonder if Zappa influenced others with the idea/concept of actually making a attempt to create a band like this. Investing in projects as he often did was obviously a sign of ambition and so he went the distance.
 
 
 
It intrigued me that Zappa was so daring in a time period where the old school concepts of your parents were intimidating. Years later he affected me with his messages of sarcasm directed to the Berklee music college, as I had been studying volumes of the William Leavitt method. Zappa was aware of the snooty environment socially and I used to laugh a lot during my work out time, hearing Zappa's comments in my head + myself living in that environment at that point in time..gave me reason to agree with him. I think it was humours how he made a jackass out of someone who was huge in the media. But underneath it felt like he was making a jackass out of the person he asked to sing it. Terry Bozzio, George Duke and others played embarrassing roles Over the years members were on recordings stating "How can Zappa ask me to sing this?" Roy Estrada and many others took on such strange personal roles for Zappa.
 
 
 
 
I never questioned his themes on sex and to me it was all about play acting. In the 70's..what followed a word or a statement in his lyrics was dismissed and the main "punchline word" of the lyric was what a majority of people tended to remember. They misunderstood him and thought he was just being filthy. This was evident when I traveled the road. They didn't stop for a moment to think maybe he was making fun of sex and all it's cheapness. Zappa thought that sex was good for the human race, but he also felt that the dress code or overall presentation of it in the commercial world was ridiculous.So truthfully? A very large population of people in America during that time..didn't get it. Even the Disco fans eventually loved "Dancin' Fool" as there is so much about the song which directly states "Disco" is questionable. When I played "Rock" clubs in the 70's, Disco people remained on one side of the street, and the Rock fans on the other. Bottles were thrown, fights broke out..because Disco was a real threat to "Rock" music fans. In the air was a message that Disco was to overthrow Rock music forever and when I toured they were like gangs fighting every night. Zappa completely understood the situation and wrote many small sequences on the subject.  

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^^ Very insightful, you have a unique perspective among people I've known. Clap
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As everyone says, there is such a range of music that comes under the Zappa or Mothers (or various combinations of) it's almost impossible to pin it down.
60's social commentary; We're Only In It For the money, Absolutely Free and Freak Out
for avant-garde jazz, musique concrete, I'd say listen to Uncle Meat.
avant-garde musique Concrete and classical; listen to Lumpy Gravy (Especially the original release on Capitol records, as re-issued in the Lumpy Money project /object release)
 
one size fits all is great, in my opinion, along side hot rats.
 
You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore vol 2 is a complete concert recording, and shows tha amazing musicianship of his band at the time.
 
70's social commentary I'd recommend Sheikh Yerbouti (but it is pretty challenging in places)
 
And if you are in the mood for a spot of doo-wop, head for Cruisin' With Ruben and the Jets - but avoid the 1984 version with the horrible sounding re-recorded drums and bass.
 
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The Lumpy Money Project/Object sounds great but it's very expensive. Cry Maybe a next 2013 reissue ?
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Just found this on youtube.  The "Smoke on the Water" show! Great selection of early Zappa songs.


Frank Zappa Montreux 1971 (the famous concert with the fire)


1971-12-04 Montreux Casino, Switzerland - 
This is the complete recording of the entire concert, from the intro to the sounds of the fire burning the casino and the band's equipment.
The song "Smoke on the Water" by Deep Purple is about the incident. band: 
Frank Zappa, Mark Volman, Howard Kaylan, Jim Pons, Ian Underwood, Don Preston, Aynsley Dunbar. tracks: 
Intro, Peaches En Regalia, Tears Began To Fall, She Painted Up Her Face, 
Half A Dozen Provocative Squats, Call Any Vegetable, Anyway The Wind Blows, 
Magdalena, Dog Breath, Sofa Suite, Pound For A Brown, Sleeping In A Jar, Wonderful Wino, Sharleena, Cruisin' For Burgers, King Kong (interrupted by fire).

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^ The way Zappa is telling everyone to calmly head for the exit is kinda funny. Sounds like something that should have been on one of his albums, kinda like "the white zone is for loading......". Good set anyway, I listened to some of it, I do like the Flo n Eddie band so I enjoyed it.
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That show, by the way, was released by Zappa as part of the "Beat the Boots II" series, a double CD under the name "Swiss Cheese/Fire!"  It's a nice show.  Pity it had to end just as King Kong was getting going.

The CD is out of print, but the album is still available as a download.

http://www.amazon.com/Swiss-Cheese-fire/dp/B001CBKMVI/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1363793169&sr=1-1&keywords=zappa+swiss+cheese
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Frank Zappa on the Steve Allen Show playing a bicycle in 1963.  Frank Zappa is the father of all things progressive in rock!


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