Who IS Frank Zappa - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Author

Message

Topic Search

Topic Options

Man With Hat View Drop Down

Collaborator

Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178

Posted: December 06 2013 at 20:08

Tom Ozric wrote:

I wish I could enjoy a Zappa-fest, but my dear Mum passed away the other day - on the 4th of December

Terribly sorry to hear that!

That is certainly a priority. My heartfelt condolences.

Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

Tom Ozric

Prog Reviewer

Joined: September 03 2005
Location: Olympus Mons
Status: Offline
Points: 15916

Posted: December 06 2013 at 21:47

Thank-You Mr Man

(You have impeccable taste for Prog

)

Man With Hat View Drop Down

Collaborator

Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178

Posted: December 07 2013 at 17:56

Right back at ya sir.

Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

darkshade

Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964

Posted: December 07 2013 at 21:47

Also sorry to hear that Tom.

I'm "finally" finishing up all the early Mothers albums, including albums released after they broke up, I was kinda starting to lose my mind. Wacko

This is what I've listened to so far since Tuesday:

Beat The Boots III (disc 3) - World's Greatest Sinner (1961)
Cucamonga
Joe's XMASage
Steve Allen Show
1963/05/19 Mount St. Mary's College - Los Angeles, CA
Joe's Corsage
Mystery Disc

Freak Out! (MOFO)
MOFO
Absolutely Free
Lumpy Money (Lumpy Gravy original mix)
Lumpy Gravy
We're Only In It For the Money
Lumpy Money
Cruising with Ruben and the Jets (Greasy Love Songs)
Mothermania
Freak Out! (RYKO)

Uncle Meat
Burnt Weeny Sandwich
Weasels Ripped My Flesh
Ahead Of Their Time
You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 (disc 1)
Road Tapes Vol. 1
Electric Aunt Jemima
1969/07/08 The Ark, Boston
Weasels Ripped My Flesh (RYKO)

Edited by darkshade - December 07 2013 at 21:50

My Last.fm

Tom Ozric

Prog Reviewer

Joined: September 03 2005
Location: Olympus Mons
Status: Offline
Points: 15916

Posted: December 07 2013 at 22:12

Thanks, fellow Zappa-fiends

Man With Hat View Drop Down

Collaborator

Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178

Posted: December 08 2013 at 18:53

darkshade wrote:

Also sorry to hear that Tom.I'm "finally" finishing up all the early Mothers albums, including albums released after they broke up, I was kinda starting to lose my mind. Wacko

This is what I've listened to so far since Tuesday:Beat The Boots III (disc 3) - World's Greatest Sinner (1961)CucamongaJoe's XMASageSteve Allen Show1963/05/19 Mount St. Mary's College - Los Angeles, CAJoe's CorsageMystery DiscFreak Out! (MOFO)MOFOAbsolutely FreeLumpy Money (Lumpy Gravy original mix)Lumpy GravyWe're Only In It For the MoneyLumpy MoneyCruising with Ruben and the Jets (Greasy Love Songs)MothermaniaFreak Out! (RYKO)Uncle MeatBurnt Weeny SandwichWeasels Ripped My FleshAhead Of Their TimeYou Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 (disc 1)Road Tapes Vol. 1Electric Aunt Jemima1969/07/08 The Ark, BostonWeasels Ripped My Flesh (RYKO)

Damn.

How's some of that early stuff...Like World's Greatest Sinner for example?

Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

darkshade

Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964

Posted: December 08 2013 at 22:14

Man With Hat wrote:

darkshade wrote:

Also sorry to hear that Tom.I'm "finally" finishing up all the early Mothers albums, including albums released after they broke up, I was kinda starting to lose my mind. Wacko

This is what I've listened to so far since Tuesday:Beat The Boots III (disc 3) - World's Greatest Sinner (1961)CucamongaJoe's XMASageSteve Allen Show1963/05/19 Mount St. Mary's College - Los Angeles, CAJoe's CorsageMystery DiscFreak Out! (MOFO)MOFOAbsolutely FreeLumpy Money (Lumpy Gravy original mix)Lumpy GravyWe're Only In It For the MoneyLumpy MoneyCruising with Ruben and the Jets (Greasy Love Songs)MothermaniaFreak Out! (RYKO)Uncle MeatBurnt Weeny SandwichWeasels Ripped My FleshAhead Of Their TimeYou Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 (disc 1)Road Tapes Vol. 1Electric Aunt Jemima1969/07/08 The Ark, BostonWeasels Ripped My Flesh (RYKO)

Damn.

How's some of that early stuff...Like World's Greatest Sinner for example?

It's good if you like his orchestral music. It's a little more symphonic than you would normally hear in this kind of piece, but it's cool. It has familiar themes that pop up, like the Burnt Weeny Sandwich theme. The '63 show is closer to his later classical works, with Frank talking a lot in between each performance, and there's a funny Q&A session after the show. An obvious omission is The Lost Episodes, but it belongs at the end because it has synclavier on it, and is mixed with later 70s stuff too, and put together in the 90s, so it's like an epilogue after CPIII.

But I gotta say, doing all those early albums in a row is something else. It's like a whole universe of music in and of itself. I'm glad I made it all the way through, and now I'm up to the Hot Rats era. Smile

Edited by darkshade - December 08 2013 at 22:17

My Last.fm

darkshade

Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964

Posted: December 09 2013 at 09:22

Has anyone mentioned this yet? Apparently, there is yet another FZ release coming our way (the 4th new album in 3 months).

It's called, "Joe's Camouflage" and is the 5th in the Corsaga/aka Joe's series.

It's supposedly from summer 1975, and most likely has the following lineup:

FZ: guitar and vocals
Napoleon Murphy Brock: keyboards, sax, and vocals
Robert "Frog" Camarena: guitar and vocals
Denny Walley: slide guitar and vocals
Novi Novog: viola and vocals
Roy Estrada: bass and vocals
Terry Bozzio: drums and vocals

Thoughts?

Edited by darkshade - December 09 2013 at 09:25

My Last.fm

HolyMoly

Special Collaborator

Retired Admin

Joined: April 01 2009
Location: Atlanta
Status: Offline
Points: 26133

Posted: December 09 2013 at 09:50

That's a weird lineup, I don't think it was ever represented on the YCDTOSA series. Looks like it might have been around the same time as the Bianca Thornton lineup, or Andre Lewis, that obscure 1975 period that also gave us Bongo Fury.

My other avatar is a Porsche

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.

-Kehlog Albran

darkshade

Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964

Posted: December 09 2013 at 11:54

What would you guys say is the best chronological order for the Flo n Eddie albums?

This way?

Chungas's Revenge
200 Motels
Fillmore East, 1971
Just Another Band from LA
Playground Psychotics
Carnegie Hall
Swiss Cheese/Fire!
Finer Moments

My Last.fm

Evolver

Special Collaborator

Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482

Posted: December 09 2013 at 12:27

darkshade wrote:

Has anyone mentioned this yet? Apparently, there is yet another FZ release coming our way (the 4th new album in 3 months).

It's called, "Joe's Camouflage" and is the 5th in the Corsaga/aka Joe's series.

It's supposedly from summer 1975, and most likely has the following lineup:

FZ: guitar and vocals
Napoleon Murphy Brock: keyboards, sax, and vocals
Robert "Frog" Camarena: guitar and vocals
Denny Walley: slide guitar and vocals
Novi Novog: viola and vocals
Roy Estrada: bass and vocals
Terry Bozzio: drums and vocals

Thoughts?

http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=27323&sid=034c6b4f968faac492ac05e22587fa17

Cookie Manager indicates that this lineup was only used in rehearsals.

Late November into December tour had:

FZ, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Roy Estrada, Andre Lewis, Terry Bozzio, Norma Bell (from Nov. 1 to Dec. 9).

http://www.zappateers.com/fzshows/7576.html

Needless to say, I've got to get me one of those.

Trust me. I know what I'm doing.

Evolver

Special Collaborator

Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482

Posted: December 10 2013 at 11:13

RBP now Dec. 14

Trust me. I know what I'm doing.

darkshade

Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964

Posted: December 10 2013 at 11:37

^ I already changed the release date to 2014 on FZ's page. I betcha that's how it stays (unless it gets moved back to 2015)

My Last.fm

Man With Hat View Drop Down

Collaborator

Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178

Posted: December 10 2013 at 21:51

darkshade wrote:

Man With Hat wrote:

darkshade wrote:

Also sorry to hear that Tom.I'm "finally" finishing up all the early Mothers albums, including albums released after they broke up, I was kinda starting to lose my mind. Wacko

This is what I've listened to so far since Tuesday:Beat The Boots III (disc 3) - World's Greatest Sinner (1961)CucamongaJoe's XMASageSteve Allen Show1963/05/19 Mount St. Mary's College - Los Angeles, CAJoe's CorsageMystery DiscFreak Out! (MOFO)MOFOAbsolutely FreeLumpy Money (Lumpy Gravy original mix)Lumpy GravyWe're Only In It For the MoneyLumpy MoneyCruising with Ruben and the Jets (Greasy Love Songs)MothermaniaFreak Out! (RYKO)Uncle MeatBurnt Weeny SandwichWeasels Ripped My FleshAhead Of Their TimeYou Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5 (disc 1)Road Tapes Vol. 1Electric Aunt Jemima1969/07/08 The Ark, BostonWeasels Ripped My Flesh (RYKO)

Damn.

How's some of that early stuff...Like World's Greatest Sinner for example?

It's good if you like his orchestral music. It's a little more symphonic than you would normally hear in this kind of piece, but it's cool. It has familiar themes that pop up, like the Burnt Weeny Sandwich theme. The '63 show is closer to his later classical works, with Frank talking a lot in between each performance, and there's a funny Q&A session after the show. An obvious omission is The Lost Episodes, but it belongs at the end because it has synclavier on it, and is mixed with later 70s stuff too, and put together in the 90s, so it's like an epilogue after CPIII.But I gotta say, doing all those early albums in a row is something else. It's like a whole universe of music in and of itself. I'm glad I made it all the way through, and now I'm up to the Hot Rats era. Smile

Interesting! I'll look into it further.

And I don't think I could undertake the mass marathon that you are.

Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

Man With Hat View Drop Down

Collaborator

Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178

Posted: December 10 2013 at 21:52

darkshade wrote:

Has anyone mentioned this yet? Apparently, there is yet another FZ release coming our way (the 4th new album in 3 months).It's called, "Joe's Camouflage" and is the 5th in the Corsaga/aka Joe's series.It's supposedly from summer 1975, and most likely has the following lineup:FZ: guitar and vocals

Napoleon Murphy Brock: keyboards, sax, and vocals

Robert "Frog" Camarena: guitar and vocals

Denny Walley: slide guitar and vocals

Novi Novog: viola and vocals

Roy Estrada: bass and vocals

Terry Bozzio: drums and vocals

Thoughts?

Interesting again. I'll wait for reviews though before I buy. This seems a better use for the Joe's series though.

Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

Tom Ozric

Prog Reviewer

Joined: September 03 2005
Location: Olympus Mons
Status: Offline
Points: 15916

Posted: December 11 2013 at 03:44

'Cruising With Ruben & The Jets' is such a charming album - I wouldn't want my Doo-Wop any other way. 'Deseri' is simply amazing.

darkshade

Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964

Posted: December 11 2013 at 12:46

I've always enjoyed the doo-wop stuff. Crusin' is good, and I finally heard Greasy Love Songs the other day, and it's even better than the CD version.

My Last.fm

Man With Hat View Drop Down

Collaborator

Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178

Posted: December 11 2013 at 18:39

I have GLS but have yet to play it.

And for the record, I don't particular care for Crusin'....but have a slight cautious optimism that GLS will be more interesting from what I've read about it.

Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

darkshade

Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: November 19 2005
Location: New Jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 10964

Posted: December 11 2013 at 18:52

There isn't a huge difference. The songs don't change. You just might notice the lack of slap bass on a couple of tracks, and rougher sounding drums. But it's nicer that way. And a couple of the bonus tracks are interesting. My favorite P/O box set is Lumpy Money, since there's so much new material that's never been released before. I anticipate the new Uncle Meat P/O will be even better than LM.

For anyone who cares:
I'm up to Playground Psychotics on my Zappadan, possibly the most interesting Flo n Eddie era album IMO, but I am glad to be done with the era, and move on to the Wazoo era!

Edited by darkshade - December 11 2013 at 18:54

My Last.fm

Tom Ozric

Prog Reviewer

Joined: September 03 2005
Location: Olympus Mons
Status: Offline
Points: 15916

Posted: December 11 2013 at 20:25

The 'Wazoo era' - YEAH !!