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Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:


Long answer: no.


well that wasn't very long at all, you're not fooling anybody
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No. Patriotism is crap, round world last time I checked.
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Points: 12294 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 00:52
It was an ironic long answer.
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I can't imagine Benkato dying for his country.

Mainly for reasons Billy Pilgrim put so elegantly LOL
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Lol no. (I wouldn't die for my city or my province either.)
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I would have to perceive a direct threat. 

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Points: 64352 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 00:58
I would've fought in the Revolutionary War, but then what else would one do under those circumstances. WW ll as well, though I would've tried to get a non-combat position.  Vietnam?  Hell no.
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Points: 4160 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 00:59
This is philosophical question that can not be answered with a simple answer.
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Mmm, philosophical debate.
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Depends, I wouldn't take a certain pill just because my country asks so, but I would go to war to defend it (with the possibility of getting killed). The question is not well put. 
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I say NO! If there ever had been a day in my lifetime on which my country was worth dying for, it must have been long ago. But this country has prostituted itself to the European occupant, who tightens its grip on our throats every day.
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It's a complex and philisophically broad question.

If my country was being invaded, and I was called upon to defend it, I guess I would. If I was conscripted to fight in some oil war somewhere in a desert, I would rather top myself, than give my life to that cause.

Another point of philosophical discussion would be, would you die protecting yourself against your own government?
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I can't imagine Benkato dying for his country.

Mainly for reasons Billy Pilgrim put so elegantly LOL


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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

It's a complex and philisophically broad question.

If my country was being invaded, and I was called upon to defend it, I guess I would. If I was conscripted to fight in some oil war somewhere in a desert, I would rather top myself, than give my life to that cause.

Another point of philosophical discussion would be, would you die protecting yourself against your own government?


Very well put. If there was a reason to put my life on the line than yes. I can say one thing, I wouldn't even kill for my country anymore, as there is no reason that are soldiers and there soldiers, and most sickeningly there civilians have to die. Of course I'm talking about the war we are currently in.
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By "for your country" I mean because the government asks so, reasons irrelevant. This may seem like an idiotic prospect to people today- I'm not going to die just because a politician requests it- but not that long ago you would have found plenty of people who felt it was their solemn duty to leap under a passing bus if their queen or president requested it. What I'm saying is that feeling has deteriorated (well not everywhere, it's very much alive in China for example) and now people are saying either "no" or "yes but only if there was some sort of threat" which actually means no because you're reacting to the threat, not the will of the country's leaders.



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If anyone jumps in front a bus because someone just says, well, I don't know what to say about that. So I guess the sane answer is no, I wouldn't kill myself for no cause whatsoever. 
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Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

By "for your country" I mean because the government asks so, reasons irrelevant. This may seem like an idiotic prospect to people today- I'm not going to die just because a politician requests it- but not that long ago you would have found plenty of people who felt it was their solemn duty to leap under a passing bus if their queen or president requested it. What I'm saying is that feeling has deteriorated (well not everywhere, it's very much alive in China for example) and now people are saying either "no" or "yes but only if there was some sort of threat" which actually means no because you're reacting to the threat, not the will of the country's leaders.



Yes, fair point. In that case: No I would not die for my country just because my government asked me to.

More poeple are starting to realise that it is not all about good guys vs bad guys. It's just about different perspectives.
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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 04:35

Billy: Exactly my point. That attitude sounds insane now but 100 years ago it was the norm.

Even though this is much more recent than that, remember "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"? I have a feeling you might. That was endlessly repeated and trumpeted as some great quote of the ages. But if we look at it, what it means is "Give your life to the collective, drone. Your individual welfare is meaningless in comparison to our political agenda." However the government made it some sort of golden auraed maxim because it promoted just doing whatever the hell they said, foremost among those things being putting yourself in deadly situations so they could stay in cozy offices in Washington screwing the secretaries.


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Points: 1505 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2010 at 04:35
^ I think there's a fine line between perspective and right and wrong.
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