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yanch 
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When used right the growls work. I think the best metal uses both.
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J-Man
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 08:21 |
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 Exactly. It's all about context. |
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J-Man
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 08:27 |
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*facepalm* Just because you don't like growled vocals doesn't mean they require no skill and "are abysmal". You just don't like it. Those are two different things.  |
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CCVP
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 08:46 |
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Spot on Jeff. Growling actually require more technique than normal singing, such as Jon Anderson or Peter Gabriel do. If you do it wrong you can actually destroy your vocal chords, something that was not uncommon during the late 80's and 90's death scene. Besides, there are a wide array of growls. I can say without much research that most people that claim they like this kind of singing here in PA didn't began to scratch through the surface of the death scene and some opinions I have seen about Atheist's latest albumshow that quite a lot. |
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 09:04 |
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To clarify: I like this kind of singing, as other kinds of singing, when functional to the song. I don't like when it's only to follow a standard and I mean it for every kind of singing.
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Prog Geo
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 09:31 |
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My favorite band is Opeth.I have said"I love the combination of growls and screams with clean vocals".
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Gerinski
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 10:35 |
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No growling for me thanks.
Somebody has mentioned that different instruments sound also different, well for sure but if so, growling vocals sound like a badly-tuned and badly played instrument to me. It's as if a guitar would be so distorted and mistuned that you do not perceive a sensible timbre nor musical sound dynamics anymore.
But ok that's just my taste, nothing against them or against those who like them, I just think it's a pitty they sometimes ruin (to me) otherwise brilliant music.
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sleeper
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 10:42 |
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As long as it works with the music I dont care, its when the vocals dont fit that I have a problem.
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Manuel
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That's how I feel too. One of the reasons I'm not really into metal is the growling, and a few other things too. I like to be able to understand the lyrics, and growling and screaming won't really inspire me.
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 11:11 |
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To me, this is why Opeth is so good; because they can balance the growls and the really heavy parts with the clean, softer parts. Similarly, a band like Atheist would sound absolutely absurd if they didn't use their sort of harsh screaming style. Different styles call for different vocal types.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 11:50 |
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The answer to this should be pretty obvious, it all depends on the music.
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 12:13 |
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If I really liked the music I don't think growls would stop me enjoying it. No more than a really annoying "clean" vocalist at any rate.
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Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Catcher10
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 13:03 |
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I don't have a problem with being wrong....but how do you understand the growling?? I mean at least with screamo or plain screaming you can get the words...but with growling its all a jumbled mess of gerbling.....I'm not slamming growling I just simply don't understand the lyrics, content of the music.
I listen to a lot of genres.....I do enjoy some of the music but I get bored cause I am trying to understand the lyrics.
I guess I failed.......
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 13:08 |
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I don't understand a lot of growling.  |
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omardiyejon
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 13:18 |
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actually i really like the experimental vocal try outs. for example maudlin of the well, especially their last album 'part the second'. vocals on the album can be considered as clean but in fact they are neither clean nor growly in my opinion.
or i can give deluge grander as an example to this. they do not really use vocals in their songs, but the short vocal partitions are highly experimental and works perfect when you get used to them. also indukti can be an example of the experimental vocal users, especially with their last album. moon safari, the dear hunter and ritual are the bands that i like as the users of clean vocals. on the other hand baroness, isis, devin townsend, opeth and (early) maudlin of the well are using growly vocals with perfection.
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cacha71
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 15:43 |
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Agreed! Though I do like to understand the lyrics! |
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 16:13 |
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So Prog in languages you cannot understand are off your play-list then? (Italian, French, German, Greek, Latin, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Finnish, Czech, Russian, Japanese, Dutch... Kobaļan).
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 16:23 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 16:45 |
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So growling is now a language? I'll check Wikipedia...  |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 25 2010 at 16:52 |
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Deans point was not about languages but understanding lyrics........as you well know.
That's a bit sad.
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Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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