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    Posted: June 30 2012 at 11:27
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ Oh, Gorguts are nasty ... which essentially should say something to dtguitarfan. Wink Just Nasty with a capital "N".


Thanks!  I meant to mention that they are a hard swallow and challenging and somehow forgot to type it.  I am being very absent minded today for some reason...fetched a meal for my father from a restaurant and nearly forgot to collect it.  Embarrassed
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On a serious note, try Gorguts once if you haven't before.  I am sure you know all about Atheist or Cynic but if you haven't, that may be worth your time as well.

I actually have tried some Cynic - I really like the album "Traced in Air" but didn't care much for the other stuff I heard by them for whatever reason.  I'll have to see what this "Gorguts" is all about.
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I'm fourteen and I like EVERYTHING, apart from some of the too-epic ELP. I'm especially fond of eclectic prog, particularly Gentle Giant. Also avant prog, like Zappa and Beefheart. I also listen to classical music of all periods (especially 20th century) and all kinds of Jazz. 
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

When I was 18 and younger, I only dug classic prog, PF, KC, and Yes. Never been a fan of metal and probably never will be, although I do admire the skills and approach that some musicians possess. I just don't find their music to be mature, revolutionary, and mind-blowing.

That's just because you don't LIKE it.  I once thought nothing with screamy death metal style vocals could be good.  Then I found Epica and Orphaned Land, and because they only mix it in, I was able to get into it.  Years later, I've tried out a couple all death-metal style vocal bands, and while I don't think I'll ever really be "in to" that, I can say that I recognized a lot of complexity and skill involved in the making of that music.


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I'm listening right now to Colors by Between the Buried and Me.  Do you know them?
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I have listened to Tuatha De Danann for the whole afternoon...speaking of metal...
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I'm listening right now to Colors by Between the Buried and Me.  Do you know them?


Can't say I do - the only reason I've heard that name was (I think) because they toured with Animals as Leaders.  I might have to check them out eventually.  I have a long list of things to check out, though, even after the many things I've already listened to.  Sooooo much music....
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I'm 15 and grew out of prog pretty fast.
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Originally posted by dtguitarfan

Originally posted by rogerthat

On a serious note, try Gorguts once if you haven't before.  I am sure you know all about Atheist or Cynic but if you haven't, that may be worth your time as well.

I actually have tried some Cynic - I really like the album "Traced in Air" but didn't care much for the other stuff I heard by them for whatever reason.  I'll have to see what this "Gorguts" is all about.

Obscura by Gorguts is a gnarly masterpiece, I hope you enjoy it Thumbs Up
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I'm 15 and grew out of prog pretty fast.

Well that's probably because you're a reasonable young man with a happy life ahead of you. Godspeed, youngern.
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I'm listening right now to Colors by Between the Buried and Me.  Do you know them?


Can't say I do - the only reason I've heard that name was (I think) because they toured with Animals as Leaders.  I might have to check them out eventually.  I have a long list of things to check out, though, even after the many things I've already listened to.  Sooooo much music....



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Originally posted by dtguitarfan

Originally posted by infocat



I'm listening right now to Colors by Between the Buried and Me.  Do you know them?


Can't say I do - the only reason I've heard that name was (I think) because they toured with Animals as Leaders.  I might have to check them out eventually.  I have a long list of things to check out, though, even after the many things I've already listened to.  Sooooo much music....


how on earth can you be a Prog Metal fan and not know BtBaM? Shocked That should be a priority. Colors and The Great Misdirect are gems.
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between the buried and me are 'progressive metalcore'... and they play a shed-load of notes, so i guess that means they are 'progmetal' around here -their main guitarist is some kind of shredmonster... obviously = progressive-i liked 'colors' pretty well

gorguts, on the other hand, were a real deathmetal band... with true compositional talent, unlike most of their peers... 'progmetal' fans probably won't have the passion or attention span for their records... luc lemay is/was a genius... he went on to a career as a self-employed, boutique furniture craftsman... i hear he's been trying to get the band back together but it's been a tumultuous/dangerous process
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Originally posted by gazagod

between the buried and me are 'progressive metalcore'... and they play a shed-load of notes, so i guess that means they are 'progmetal' around here -their main guitarist is some kind of shredmonster... obviously = progressive-i liked 'colors' pretty well


No, BtBAM are real prog-metal says just about everyone so I'm afraid you're wrong. They do play lots of notes sure, but so does Rimsky Korsakov and he 'aint on this site Smile. 

They have an eclectic style; write complicated, dynamic songs and push boundaries. Sounds pretty prog to me?

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'progmetal' fans probably won't have the passion or attention span for their records...

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'real prog metal' what's that? a brand?... 'obviously=progmetal' was a joke just like the 'passion' comment was clearly tongue-in-cheek... i would call it 'real prog metalcore' - the breakdowns, vocal phrasing, and transitions are straight out of the post-hardcore, metalcore tradition... their style harkens back to the original 'underground' incarnation of metalcore bands like (early-mid 90s)early converge, coalesce, and earth crisis... not the later commercial(early 2000s) stuff... and yes the tremolo riffing is adopted from florida death metal... but all metalcore bands used that style as well

LOL

and your testy reply is perhaps understandable as defense of your 'territory', though it has nothing to do with what i was saying... i was making fun of 'genre' much like the guy from beyond the buried called their record new wave polka or whatever...

oh yeah, i find rimsky-korsakov a bit sentimental for my tastes, never really liked the late romantic period... except for some bruckner... i've been excoriated for a lack of affinity for mahlerCry... weepy s#$t


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Originally posted by gazagod

'real prog metal' what's that? a brand?... 'obviously=progmetal' was a joke just like the 'passion' comment was clearly tongue-in-cheek... i would call it 'real prog metalcore' - the breakdowns, vocal phrasing, and transitions are straight out of the post-hardcore, metalcore tradition... their style harkens back to the original 'underground' incarnation of metalcore bands like (early-mid 90s)early converge, coalesce, and earth crisis... not the later commercial(early 2000s) stuff... and yes the tremolo riffing is adopted from florida death metal... but all metalcore bands used that style as well

LOL

 

But that has absolutely nothing to do with whether they're prog or not. ELP use lots of ideas 'straight out the classical music scene' and that doesn't stop them being prog; King Crimson from jazz thanks to Bruford mostly, that doesn't stop them being prog. I appreciate your attempt to show your superior knowledge but it doesn't mean you're not wrong  just because you did a quick google search...

Originally posted by gazagod

 

and your testy reply is perhaps understandable as defense of your 'territory', though it has nothing to do with what i was saying... i was making fun of 'genre' much like the guy from beyond the buried called their record new wave polka or whatever...

 

I don't quite understand your point

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oh yeah, i find rimsky-korsakov a bit sentimental for my tastes, never really liked the late romantic period... except for some bruckner... i've been excoriated for a lack of affinity for mahlerCry... weepy s#$t

Wow you've listened to some classical music, now I must definitely be way out my depth and agree with everything you were saying LOL

Strange anyway, we obviously have very different musical tastes, seeing as the late romantic period might be my favourite classical era. I agree with you about the Mahler, but neither of those three composers are really the 'heavyweights' of that time. Tchaikovsky is definitely my favourite, guy never put a foot wrong.
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you're free to construct whatever narrative makes you happy...  wrong about what exactly? marketing strategies?  wasn't questioning their 'progressiveness' just the perceptions of what makes a group progressive...  and what becomes acceptable to admit as influences as trends come and go... 

 and as far as 'classical music', i've listened to a lot of it... but then, again... who can question the wisdom of the younger generation...?

the point was lost because it's forbidden territory, ideologically...
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17. The Flower Kings are my favorite band ever and my greatest inspiration for everything in my life.
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However Symphony X and Opeth still kick every other band's ass.
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I'm 18, and while I greatly enjoy Progressive Metal, it's Symphonic and Ecelectic Progressive Rock that really captures my attention more! Wink
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you're free to construct whatever narrative makes you happy...  wrong about what exactly? marketing strategies?  wasn't questioning their 'progressiveness' just the perceptions of what makes a group progressive...  and what becomes acceptable to admit as influences as trends come and go... 

I'm pretty sure you were trying to make a hilarious joke that didn't quite come off actually. If you want to question what's progressive nowadays and what should be on this sight go moan at a moderator, they get stuff like that all the time.

Originally posted by gazagod

 and as far as 'classical music', i've listened to a lot of it... but then, again... who can question the wisdom of the younger generation...?

You've completely lost me... If you're over 18, why hang out in this thread unless you get your kicks from feeling superior to teenagers?
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