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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 08:14
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Dave Stewart have the most sinister tones of any album of any prog artist to date.
That might as well be, but this thread is about Hammond.
 
Dave used the lowly Lowrey.
 
(One of the few times he got his hands on a Hammond was the demos for Nigel Planer's "Heavy Concept Album" lp.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 17:14
Tarkus is the best ELP release ever and the first i've listened to,i keep on listening to it from time to time,loudly of course!!to feel the hamond through my body, a real achievement!!!Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2010 at 13:37
No live Hammond stage sound was ever bigger than Billy Ritchie with Clouds; like listening to two organists playing in unison. You can hear that to some extent on 'Cold Sweat' the the middle and coda of 'Sing Sing Sing'. Fastest ever hands too. He cut off before the Prog era really got going, so doesn't (in my opinion) really qualify as a true Prog keyboard player, he was a Hammond organist, and that's it, I'm not sure he could even have translated himself into the synth era to the standard of excellence brought by Emerson and Wakeman. But Hammond, yes, absolutely the best. It was a massive sound, The Nice couldn't live with that on a live stage. Tony Kaye (Yes) even tried copying the Hammond settings Ritchie used, but it still didn't sound the same, much to Tony's puzzlement. What he needed was a left hand as strong as his right. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2010 at 13:55



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2016 at 16:25
 Tony Kaye (Yes) even tried copying the Hammond settings Ritchie used, but it still didn't sound the same, much to Tony's puzzlement. What he needed was a left hand as strong as his right. 

Did not know this was public knowledge..Billy told me that many times
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2016 at 17:25
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Dave Stewart have the most sinister tones of any album of any prog artist to date.
I was gonna say..........Dave Stewart is No. 1 for Hammond. Keith was stupendous with his Hammonds, but Dave - that solo at the beginning of Dreams Wide Awake - Keith was never that wild - or perhaps a different 'wild' , but never played as ripping as Dave. Still love Tarkus - Iconoclast - that Hammond is ALIVE !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2016 at 17:31
Originally posted by Baggra Baggra wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Dave Stewart have the most sinister tones of any album of any prog artist to date.




That might as well be, but this thread is about Hammond.
 

Dave used the lowly Lowrey.

 

(One of the few times he got his hands on a Hammond was the demos for Nigel Planer's "Heavy Concept Album" lp.)
Dave used a Hammond - Mike Ratledge used the Lowrey. And a big thumbs up for the wonderful Heavy Concept Album - more folks need this
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2016 at 17:39
I've always preferred the way Jon Lord abuses a Hammond:


...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2016 at 18:01
Didn't Jon have some sort of ring modulator rigged up to his Hammond ?? And cranked it to 11
. His solo in Fireball is way cool, feedback and all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2016 at 20:59
In terms of Hammond demons, my go to guy probably has to be Hugh Banton of Van Der Graaf Generator, especially during the Pawn Hearts-era.
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2016 at 21:44
^ Loved his combo of Hammond and Farfisa organs - such a broad palette of tonal colours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2016 at 02:25
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Dave Stewart on The Polite Force?  I am not certain about what all equipment he was using, but this is some nasty keyboard playing. 



I do prefer Stewart's playing to Emerson's as such.  I feel Emerson didn't show much growth from his initial, revolutionary burst.  Stewart's playing on the Khan album after this, then Hatfield and finally National Health at the end of the same decade all show varied influences and developments in his style. 

Same with me. To me, Dave Stewart is an underappreciated maestro and one of the most gifted musicians I have ever heard play.
As opposed to Wakeman, Sinclair, and Emerson, who used B3/C3 type organ, Stewart used a so called spinet model (L-122), similarly to Rick Wright (M-100), Thijs Van Leer, Hugh Banton or Tony Banks to name a few. These give a much smoother, brighter sound, and less what you might associate with jazz or soul, but rather with church organ. I've found that these models tend to react better with fuzz, hence Stewart's nasty fuzzed out, bulldozer-like organ tones. Long Piece No. 3 is a perfect display of various sounds he was able to achieve.

But yeah, Tarkus is a perfect demonstration of where the great late Keith Emerson could go with his organ. I particularly like the percussive sound of his Hammond.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2016 at 03:27
This, especially since the bass line is played on the Hammond as well:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2016 at 07:57
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Emerson did actually compose the instrumental sections on a piano and then transferred it to Hammond.


ooh I'd like to hear the piano originals, or a new piano-based version.. c'mon Keith, revisit the old xenarthran !
Ah...you do know Keith is no longer with us right??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2016 at 08:06
Vincent Crane had an awesome tone on Crazy World Of Arthur Brown and the Atomic Rooster debut. Kind of 'rickety' and 'squeaky', if you get what I'm trying to say.....
For me, I think that ELP's rendition of Mussorgsky tops Tarkus by a hair.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2016 at 19:55
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Emerson did actually compose the instrumental sections on a piano and then transferred it to Hammond.


ooh I'd like to hear the piano originals, or a new piano-based version.. c'mon Keith, revisit the old xenarthran !
Ah...you do know Keith is no longer with us right??
It looks like this old thread got revived. That post was made in 2010.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2016 at 20:23
^ Thank you -
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2016 at 12:16
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

"Tarkus" is one of the greatest prog epics ever written, and I agree- the organ is awesome throughout.

It really is. The first time I heard it I was blown away. Every time I have subsequently heard it, I've been blown away. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2016 at 22:22
100% Tarkus freak here..............
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