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    Posted: July 24 2016 at 13:16
The first artist to chart a Beatles song in America was not the Beatles.  Del Shannon covered "From Me To You" and took it to #77 on the Billboard Hot 100 in July of 1963 - half a year before the band broke in America.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2016 at 05:12
George Jones's legendary country song "White Lightning" was written by J.P. Richardson - aka The Big Bopper.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2016 at 18:48
Famous Mahler conductor Bruno Walter only conducted Mahler's 7th Symphony twice, in 1920.

Walter was an early champion of Schoenberg's Verklarte Nacht.

German conductor Carl Schuricht did conduct Bruckner's 2nd Symphony, on occasion.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2014 at 17:15
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

One hundred years ago, in 1913, the first complete recording of a symphony was made-Beethoven's Fifth, conducted by Artur Nikisch with the Berlin Philharmonic. It has been issued on CD on the Dutton label.

Nikisch was considered by many to be THE conductor of his day, until his death in the early 1920s. He conducted the world premiere of Bruckner's 7th Symphony in Leipzig, and the composer was present.

Nikisch was also interested in Mahler's music, and even conducted the first music from his 3rd Symphony, the inner movements, before the composer conducted the whole symphony later on.

Professor Hans Richter, another celebrated conductor, became very important in the late 19th, and first decade of the 20th Centuries. He conducted the world premieres of Bruckner's 4th and 8th Symphonies, and Elgar's First Symphony.
He retired around 1911, and unfortunately left no recordings.

American conductor Theodore Thomas, who died in the first decade of the 20th Century, was enormously important, being the director of many US concert premieres, including Bruckner's 4th and 7th Symphonies. He sometimes premiered musical works even before they had been done in Europe.

Leopold Stokowski had also a giant list of world premiere performances under his direction, including the American premieres of Elgar's Second Symphony, and Mahler's 8th Symphony and Das Lied Von Der Erde.
I am wrong about the first point. There was an earlier recording of a complete symphony, in Beethoven's Fifth, conducted by Friedrich Kark with the Odeon Orchestra in 1910!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2014 at 11:33
Judy Garland liked the music of Frederick Delius.

When conductor Arturo Toscanini started working with the Berlin Philharmonic for the first time, the orchestra found him so demanding, that they nick-named him "Tosca-No-No."LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2014 at 16:57
Originally posted by zappaholic zappaholic wrote:

In 1969 a studio group called The Electric Indian released the single "Keem-O-Sabe", which charted in the top 20 in America.  Among the musicians on the record: a young Daryl Hall.


Cool! Also under the radar for many is the group from 1969 that Daryl Hall appeared in called Gulliver. They were strictly a studio band, with only one self titled debut album to their credit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2014 at 06:29
In 1969 a studio group called The Electric Indian released the single "Keem-O-Sabe", which charted in the top 20 in America.  Among the musicians on the record: a young Daryl Hall.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2014 at 23:32
The two composer/conductors Gustav Mahler and Hans Pfitzner had a famous disagreement.
                     Pfitzner met Mahler and told him that he thought Wagner was a great composer because he was German.
              Mahler replied to the effect that music, like the Symphony, should encompass the whole world, everything.
                    Pftizner stormed out of the room.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2014 at 18:49
Mahler conductor Bruno Walter described the composer's 6th Symphony one time as "One great, big, resounding-NO!!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2014 at 15:12
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Conductor Arturo Toscanini once declared Berlioz's Romeo and Juliet Symphony to be "some of the most beautiful music ever written".

When conductor Sir Malcolm Sargent told Sir Thomas Beecham that he had been in the Middle East, and a bullet had hit the car he was in, Beecham replied, "I had no idea they were that musical."
Hah! Beecham is awesome indeed!..
 
And almost no one better than the fantastic Toscanini to say some wise words about music and steering me towards acquiring this awesome Berlioz' symphony for sure, I can't let the time go by without knowing it!Thumbs Up
 
Just stunning what Berlioz wrote in his Memoirs: "Beethoven opened before me a new world of music, as Shakespeare had revealed a new universe of poetry."Clap
The inimitable Sir Thomas Beecham-what a musician and personality!
             The Romeo and Juliet Symphony is worth every note that makes it up, Ric. I would suggest Toscanini's complete recording of it, as well as Charles Munch's 1950's account, and that of Pierre Monteux in the early 1960s.
              That is interesting that quote of Berlioz. He also remarked, "I am picking up where Beethoven left off." I believe that Berlioz also conducted Beethoven's music.
 
Thanks for the precious info Doug! I hope I am lucky enough to find at least one of these great recordings.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2014 at 19:59
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Conductor Arturo Toscanini once declared Berlioz's Romeo and Juliet Symphony to be "some of the most beautiful music ever written".

When conductor Sir Malcolm Sargent told Sir Thomas Beecham that he had been in the Middle East, and a bullet had hit the car he was in, Beecham replied, "I had no idea they were that musical."
Hah! Beecham is awesome indeed!..
 
And almost no one better than the fantastic Toscanini to say some wise words about music and steering me towards acquiring this awesome Berlioz' symphony for sure, I can't let the time go by without knowing it!Thumbs Up
 
Just stunning what Berlioz wrote in his Memoirs: "Beethoven opened before me a new world of music, as Shakespeare had revealed a new universe of poetry."Clap
The inimitable Sir Thomas Beecham-what a musician and personality!
             The Romeo and Juliet Symphony is worth every note that makes it up, Ric. I would suggest Toscanini's complete recording of it, as well as Charles Munch's 1950's account, and that of Pierre Monteux in the early 1960s.
              That is interesting that quote of Berlioz. He also remarked, "I am picking up where Beethoven left off." I believe that Berlioz also conducted Beethoven's music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2014 at 16:26
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Conductor Arturo Toscanini once declared Berlioz's Romeo and Juliet Symphony to be "some of the most beautiful music ever written".

When conductor Sir Malcolm Sargent told Sir Thomas Beecham that he had been in the Middle East, and a bullet had hit the car he was in, Beecham replied, "I had no idea they were that musical."
Hah! Beecham is awesome indeed!..
 
And almost no one better than the fantastic Toscanini to say some wise words about music and steering me towards acquiring this awesome Berlioz' symphony for sure, I can't let the time go by without knowing it!Thumbs Up
 
Just stunning what Berlioz wrote in his Memoirs: "Beethoven opened before me a new world of music, as Shakespeare had revealed a new universe of poetry."Clap


Edited by Rick Robson - December 11 2014 at 16:27


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2014 at 21:04
Conductor Arturo Toscanini once declared Berlioz's Romeo and Juliet Symphony to be "some of the most beautiful music ever written".

When conductor Sir Malcolm Sargent told Sir Thomas Beecham that he had been in the Middle East, and a bullet had hit the car he was in, Beecham replied, "I had no idea they were that musical."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2014 at 08:53
French conductor Pierre Monteux did indeed conduct Bruckner, performing the first performance of the 7th Symphony by the San Francisco Symphony in May 1947.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2014 at 08:30
Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

A movie about Furtwangler (played by Stellan Skarsgaard)and his prosecution by the Allies (Harvey Keitel) for being pro-Nazi. It's quite good but the best bit is when (now real life archive footage) he shakes hands with Goebbels at the end of a gig and behind his back - in full view of the audience and cameras - wipes his hands on a cloth.

The film is quite good but the reception comment at the end pretty much gives a fair assessment of the movie. It may be true to life as in films we like definitive closure which does not really happen. Although for me the above ending footage does make it definitive enough. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Sides_%28film%29
Thanks for your assessment and link. Furtwangler was a courageous man in terrible times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2014 at 04:19
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

I read that Lemmy of Motorhead and Hawkwind also used to be a roadie for The Nice way back in the day.
He gave Emerson that famous knife.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2014 at 04:10
A movie about Furtwangler (played by Stellan Skarsgaard)and his prosecution by the Allies (Harvey Keitel) for being pro-Nazi. It's quite good but the best bit is when (now real life archive footage) he shakes hands with Goebbels at the end of a gig and behind his back - in full view of the audience and cameras - wipes his hands on a cloth.

The film is quite good but the reception comment at the end pretty much gives a fair assessment of the movie. It may be true to life as in films we like definitive closure which does not really happen. Although for me the above ending footage does make it definitive enough. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Sides_%28film%29
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2014 at 21:45
Famous Hungarian born conductor Fritz Reiner actually did conduct Bruckner, and there is a recently uncovered partial recording of Bruckner's 4th Symphony from '43 with him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2014 at 08:27
When planning Walt Disney's original Fantasia movie, they were considering doing some animation set to Wagner's "The Ride Of The Valkyries".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2013 at 20:08
Originally posted by Metalmarsh89 Metalmarsh89 wrote:

I read that Lemmy of Motorhead and Hawkwind also used to be a roadie for The Nice way back in the day.

I thought Lemmy was a Jimi Hendrix Experience roadie?  That guy really got around LOL 
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