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Topic: Blood Sweat & Tears or If? Posted: December 29 2010 at 11:01
When the next poll is assembled please include Dreams (Jeff Kent, Billy Cobham, Randy & Michael Brecker, John Abercrombie, Barry Rogers, Bob Mann and Will Lee).
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Posted: December 29 2010 at 08:19
Gandalff wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure that people have given a fair listen to IF in order to vote on this properly ... for musicianship and compositional design, I would vote for IF every day ... for a couple of hits on the radio and one excellent album, it's hard to not think BST as a good band ... but they were not as well defined as IF was.
Two other bands of similar design, also very good in my book ... were Ides of March and the Canadian band Lighthouse. Both had a hit in radio, but Ides of March's first album is magnificent and quite progressive ... except that horns are not progressive ... keyboards are! ... so GreenEyedLady will have to get it instead, I think! ... shucks ... that's SugarLoaf! ... bet these guys never even heard Mason Profit either!
So, let create your own poll with this two bands. To be honest, I don´t know them.
Mason Proffit???? Not prog - not even close
Sugarloaf......well.....some prog sounding tunes on their first 2 LP's. Not sure about what they did after that.
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Posted: December 29 2010 at 04:21
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure that people have given a fair listen to IF in order to vote on this properly ... for musicianship and compositional design, I would vote for IF every day ... for a couple of hits on the radio and one excellent album, it's hard to not think BST as a good band ... but they were not as well defined as IF was.
Two other bands of similar design, also very good in my book ... were Ides of March and the Canadian band Lighthouse. Both had a hit in radio, but Ides of March's first album is magnificent and quite progressive ... except that horns are not progressive ... keyboards are! ... so GreenEyedLady will have to get it instead, I think! ... shucks ... that's SugarLoaf! ... bet these guys never even heard Mason Profit either!
So, let create your own poll with this two bands. To be honest, I don´t know them.
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 21:07
Hi,
I'm not sure that people have given a fair listen to IF in order to vote on this properly ... for musicianship and compositional design, I would vote for IF every day ... for a couple of hits on the radio and one excellent album, it's hard to not think BST as a good band ... but they were not as well defined as IF was.
Two other bands of similar design, also very good in my book ... were Ides of March and the Canadian band Lighthouse. Both had a hit in radio, but Ides of March's first album is magnificent and quite progressive ... except that horns are not progressive ... keyboards are! ... so GreenEyedLady will have to get it instead, I think! ... shucks ... that's SugarLoaf! ... bet these guys never even heard Mason Profit either!
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 03:21
Baggra wrote:
If your lauding BS&T then you dont really know much about the panoply of hornrock bands , do you. - well one could be accused of the same with ELP and symphonic rock, but it's still okay to laud them (or is it, I never know anymore)
In '67 Columbia made a MAJOR launch for the first BS&T lp - something they had not done for ages for any jazz.
Thats because BS&T was the "new thing". The big compromize.The "jazz" move towards pop & rock.
- yes, that's what they did so well, brilliantly at times
This band had nothing to do with fusion. Instead they distanced rock FROM jazz. - I'll give you that, but weren't the important progressive artists - popular or not - distancing themselves from most conventional things? Surely Tony Williams, Herbie Hancock, and McLaughlin were moving away from trad jazz more than toward it.
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 01:50
dwill123 wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
I don´t know Chicago. They didn´t convince me from several You Tube tracks.
Besides, that poll isn´t about them.
Just curious, which Chicago tracks did you listen to. Early vs later Chicago is almost like listening to two completely different bands almost.
Randomly, 70´s and 80´s records. Didn´t thrill me at all.
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I can't understand the knocking the first BST album gets.....it's a stone classic! Don't know what genre you'd attach to it, but it's just an excellent group effort. Al Kooper!
I'd put If a bit ahead of BST 'cause after their first album, BST drifted off into an ocean of schlock.
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 11:51
I don´t know Chicago. They didn´t convince me from several You Tube tracks.
Besides, that poll isn´t about them.
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 09:36
Thanks.
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 03:11
Baggra wrote:
If your lauding BS&T then you dont really know much about the panoply of hornrock bands , do you.
In '67 Columbia made a MAJOR launch for the first BS&T lp - something they had not done for ages for any jazz.
Thats because BS&T was the "new thing". The big compromize.The "jazz" move towards pop & rock.
From the "Child Is Father To The Man" lp can you listen to that Laura Nyro cover without laughing?
This band had nothing to do with fusion. Instead they distanced rock FROM jazz.
And what did you vote for?
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