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Gandalff 
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 06:31 |
Both bands are certainly great Jazz Rock brass based combos. 
Who´s your favourite? The American band with long name, more well-known, more melodic, perhaps even commercial? Or the British band with short name, less well-known, less melodic, less commercial?  |
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
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dwill123
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 07:24 |
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Both are very good bands but I favor IF a little more.
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 07:48 |
Chicago debut  From above - If.
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 08:28 |
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What If?
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friso
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 08:37 |
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ay don't know If.. BST is a mediocre, but enjoyable band however.
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 08:48 |
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BST
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Baggra
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Posted: December 25 2010 at 09:01 |
If your lauding BS&T then you dont really know much about the panoply of hornrock bands , do you.
In '67 Columbia made a MAJOR launch for the first BS&T lp - something they had not done for ages for any jazz.
Thats because BS&T was the "new thing". The big compromize.The "jazz" move towards pop & rock.
From the "Child Is Father To The Man" lp can you listen to that Laura Nyro cover without laughing?
This band had nothing to do with fusion. Instead they distanced rock FROM jazz.
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Gandalff
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 03:11 |
 Baggra wrote:
If your lauding BS&T then you dont really know much about the panoply of hornrock bands , do you.
In '67 Columbia made a MAJOR launch for the first BS&T lp - something they had not done for ages for any jazz.
Thats because BS&T was the "new thing". The big compromize.The "jazz" move towards pop & rock.
From the "Child Is Father To The Man" lp can you listen to that Laura Nyro cover without laughing?
This band had nothing to do with fusion. Instead they distanced rock FROM jazz. |
And what did you vote for?
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 09:19 |
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Blood sweat and tears, without hesitation
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"The things that we're concealing, will never let us grow.
Time will do its healing, you've got to let it go.
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Baggra
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Posted: December 26 2010 at 09:55 |
I dont vote in niggling polls that offer only two candidates when there are ( in this case) at least 25 worthies.
(Still, the outcome would still be the same since of those 25, IF would likely top all.)
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Gandalff
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 09:36 |
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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crimhead
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 11:43 |
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Chicago before they went all Top 40.
BST.
Edited by crimhead - December 27 2010 at 11:44
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Gandalff
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 11:51 |
I don´t know Chicago. They didn´t convince me from several You Tube tracks.
Besides, that poll isn´t about them.
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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dwill123
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 16:47 |
Gandalff wrote:
I don´t know Chicago. They didn´t convince me from several You Tube tracks.
Besides, that poll isn´t about them. |
Just curious, which Chicago tracks did you listen to. Early vs later Chicago is almost like listening to two completely different bands almost.
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Intruder
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Posted: December 27 2010 at 18:08 |
I can't understand the knocking the first BST album gets.....it's a stone classic! Don't know what genre you'd attach to it, but it's just an excellent group effort. Al Kooper!
I'd put If a bit ahead of BST 'cause after their first album, BST drifted off into an ocean of schlock.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Gandalff
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 01:50 |
dwill123 wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
I don´t know Chicago. They didn´t convince me from several You Tube tracks.
Besides, that poll isn´t about them. |
Just curious, which Chicago tracks did you listen to. Early vs later Chicago is almost like listening to two completely different bands almost. |
Randomly, 70´s and 80´s records. Didn´t thrill me at all.
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 03:21 |
Baggra wrote:
If your lauding BS&T then you dont really know much about the panoply of hornrock bands , do you.
- well one could be accused of the same with ELP and symphonic rock, but it's still okay to laud them (or is it, I never know anymore)
In '67 Columbia made a MAJOR launch for the first BS&T lp - something they had not done for ages for any jazz.
Thats because BS&T was the "new thing". The big compromize.The "jazz" move towards pop & rock.
- yes, that's what they did so well, brilliantly at times
This band had nothing to do with fusion. Instead they distanced rock FROM jazz.
- I'll give you that, but weren't the important progressive artists - popular or not - distancing themselves from most conventional things? Surely Tony Williams, Herbie Hancock, and McLaughlin were moving away from trad jazz more than toward it.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 03:33 |
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BTW has anyone heard Dick Halligan's film scores? They're terrific, e.g. The Owl and the Pussycat from 1970 (out of print but old vinyl still around)
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 10:54 |
BST for sure.
I thought If were average at best. Didn't one of their drummers go on to play with Ted Nugent?
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Posted: December 28 2010 at 21:07 |
Hi,
I'm not sure that people have given a fair listen to IF in order to vote on this properly ... for musicianship and compositional design, I would vote for IF every day ... for a couple of hits on the radio and one excellent album, it's hard to not think BST as a good band ... but they were not as well defined as IF was.
Two other bands of similar design, also very good in my book ... were Ides of March and the Canadian band Lighthouse. Both had a hit in radio, but Ides of March's first album is magnificent and quite progressive ... except that horns are not progressive ... keyboards are! ... so GreenEyedLady will have to get it instead, I think! ... shucks ... that's SugarLoaf! ... bet these guys never even heard Mason Profit either!
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