PoS is terribly overrated.

You are highly overrated!

Your mom goes to college! 

OH SNAP

It's a really great album, but I suppose it's not for everyone.  I personally found his guitar tone to be SICK, in the good way...  songs like Rope Ends to be amazing...  and the thematic connections are just great.

I never knew your name but I will miss you just the same
I was to live for you I lost the will to live at all the day you came
It'll never be the same but I will love you just the same
You were to be the first, how wonderful
Now I will always fear to hope again

Just to paste some of the OVER-depressing lyrics.

Yep it is in no doubt a good album but its not a fantastic masterpiece because it is just standard prog metal wich is just well put together and all the standard time signatures like forexample in undertow where you got a classic dream theater time signature. I just dont hear any originality in PoS music, thats what makes it boring. Whenever i hear undertow i hear a dream theater wannabe band mixed with nickelback singing

maidenrulez wrote: I never knew your name but I will miss you just the same I was to live for you I lost the will to live at all the day you came It'll never be the same but I will love you just the same You were to be the first, how wonderful Now I will always fear to hope again Just to paste some of the OVER-depressing lyrics. Yep it is in no doubt a good album but its not a fantastic masterpiece because it is just standard prog metal wich is just well put together and all the standard time signatures like forexample in undertow where you got a classic dream theater time signature. I just dont hear any originality in PoS music, thats what makes it boring. Whenever i hear undertow i hear a dream theater wannabe band mixed with nickelback singing

You know, Daniel Gildenlow wrote that sound about a real life event...  his wife miscarrying his first-born.  How can that be 'over-doing it'?  It REALLY HAPPENED!

maidenrulez wrote: I never knew your name but I will miss you just the same I was to live for you I lost the will to live at all the day you came It'll never be the same but I will love you just the same You were to be the first, how wonderful Now I will always fear to hope again Just to paste some of the OVER-depressing lyrics. Yep it is in no doubt a good album but its not a fantastic masterpiece because it is just standard prog metal wich is just well put together and all the standard time signatures like forexample in undertow where you got a classic dream theater time signature. I just dont hear any originality in PoS music, thats what makes it boring. Whenever i hear undertow i hear a dream theater wannabe band mixed with nickelback singing

stfu and ask Mike Portnoy.

dude............firstly Pain of Salvation rocks.............

second...

She can't stop pacing
She never felt so alive
Her thoughts are racing
Set on overdrive

It takes a village
This she knows is true
they're expecting her
And she's got work to do

He helplessly stands by
It's meaningless to try
As he rubs his red-rimmed eyes
He says I've never seen her get this bad

Even though she seems so high
He knows that she can't fly
and when she falls out of the sky
He'll be standing by

woooooow 

I think you got dt and Pos mixed up man

hugo wrote: dude............firstly Pain of Salvation rocks............. second... She can't stop pacing She never felt so alive Her thoughts are racing Set on overdrive It takes a village This she knows is true they're expecting her And she's got work to do He helplessly stands by It's meaningless to try As he rubs his red-rimmed eyes He says I've never seen her get this bad Even though she seems so high He knows that she can't fly and when she falls out of the sky He'll be standing by woooooow  I think you got dt and Pos mixed up man

I dont concider dream theater great lyric writers. But atleast better than PoS + they make better music Six degrees is just a masterpiece.

Man Overboard wrote: Pain Of Salvation's music is far more rhythmically complex and innovative than Dream Theater.  If you don't see this, it's possibly because it's also subtle and isn't full of lengthy, while simplistic, flashy solos.

Well perhaps they would have impressed me if they made a bit longer songs...but the songs are a bit short so they dont exactly get time to anything else but verse choros verse chorus (mid section with a new riff) verse again and/or perhaps ending chorus wich is repeted to all eternity,

Pretty standard song structure if you ask me?

Man Overboard wrote: Have you listened to any of PoS's other albums?

Nope but that is concidered their masterpiece and i think if thats their grand masterpiece they are terribly overrated.

Anyway i think that a song like sign of the cross is more complex than forexample beyond the pale they have equal length but maiden seem to get so much more music and timechanges and stuff into their song.

Man Overboard wrote: Do you grasp polyrhythms?  The way the instruments interact all over Remedy Lane is monstrously good...  how many listens did you give this album, anyway?

Its a great album but its not a masterpiece ive have listened to the entire album about 5 times first to find out wich tracks are the most interesting and have listened to those tracks a couple of times.

Anyways i would not rate the album a fantastically complex thing as the "bad" tracks does not seem to improve on a listen or two. PoS always reminds me of nickelback and creed and as i like those bands i also like PoS alot and i like that they have put some more complexity to the songs and as well as keeping them melodical as nickelback and creed great stuff.

Anyways compared to forexample frances the mute the albums interest evaporates pretty quickly alot more complex and a incredible soundstructure on the tracks you can listen to a track countless times and still finding new elements with it. Frances the mute took a while to get used to as it alot more complex and groundbreaking in its genre than PoS will ever be.

The only thing that is a bit cool with PoS is that they have putten some jazzy influences in their metal songs wich is not very typical for a prog metal band. And as a great fan of mahuvishnu orchestra i love a bit of jazzy influences.