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jude111 
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 Topic: King Crimson vs. Camel
Posted: May 23 2012 at 20:34 |
 juandhaltrich wrote:
seriously? where's the contest? never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. |
This argument fails when one considers that the same can be said for the Moody Blues. A founding father of prog? Check. Mellotrons? Check. Flutes? orchestras? Check and check. Concept albums? Check. Spoken-word poetry? highly pretentious? Multi-suite songs? A concept album inspired by the first moon landing? Check. (If they had actually recorded a rock version of Dvorak as planned, I think we'd really be in trouble!)  
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 19:02 |
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Just got to know Camel a few months ago, and still am getting some albums (well, as a matter of fact, I still need to get a few King Crimson albums too, but overall I think I have a better idea of their discography). Though I have come to love some things from Camel quiet a bit, I still give the edge to King Crimson.
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 09:25 |
I went with a crimson camel. 
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 09:21 |
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KC too experimental? Isn't that what prog fans look for? |
No, they look for Hammonds and mellotrons and any other sounds that take them "right back to the 70s". The rest are heretics.
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 07:33 |
KC too experimental? Isn't that what prog fans look for? Would you rather listen to a band that fits comfortably in the genre, or a band that consistently takes chances?
Oh yeah..............I went with KC.
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 01:57 |
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Easily KC. Camel are hard to swallow. KC are much more fun ... and archetypal ... and dirty-visceral ... and they can be pure-visceral. Camel don't seem to be very open about it (to me at least.)
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Posted: May 23 2012 at 00:18 |
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Posted: May 22 2012 at 23:40 |
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I like them both, it's just that I prefer KC during their first years, and Camel since their first album!
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Posted: May 22 2012 at 19:26 |
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The critic in me acknowledges that King Crimson should win this poll, but the one I listen to more, like a secret guilty pleasure, is Camel. I feel more of an emotional connection to Camel, and I find the music to be more evocative. Crimson often leaves me cold, although "Starless" is one of my favorite prog songs ever.
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Posted: May 22 2012 at 16:38 |
Everyone likes different kinds of music?
These are 2 different types of Music,are they not?
...so i guess were talkin about preference?
...and dont say, DUH! lol
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Posted: February 29 2012 at 17:53 |
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When I can vote: KC.
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Posted: October 05 2011 at 19:59 |
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Two of my very faves. So, EQUALLY..
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dr prog
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Posted: October 05 2011 at 17:11 |
juandhaltrich wrote:
dr prog wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
dr prog wrote:
juandhaltrich wrote:
seriously? where's the contest? never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. |
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around |
Not even ITCOTCK? Because that is pretty much the basis for a whole lot of symph prog. |
symph prog is very limited though. |
symph prog is limited? compared to ....what? to king crimson maybe! crimson has some symphonic arrangements, but their not a symphnic prog band. they're " super-progressive prog " lol, that's like the very essence of progressive rock what im talking about.
but there is this thing on my mind now: you say symph prog is limited......then what is illuminating, if symph is limited? |
Slow mellotron songs are limited, once you record a couple they start sounding similar  I much prefer prog bands who compose really good upbeat songs as well as slow songs using their jazz and classical influences. I don't want to hear a song with 5 minutes of wind chime eg. Larks 1. What's so good about it? Waste of album space when something great could have been included but Crimson were capable of upbeat greatness with Wetton and without SInfield imo  Give me Raindances and Moonmadness anyday of the week over Crimson King, Islands, Starless and even Red and Larks 
Red and Larks are pretty good, but Moonmadness and Raindances are better 
Edited by dr prog - October 05 2011 at 17:17
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Posted: October 05 2011 at 11:14 |
dr prog wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
dr prog wrote:
juandhaltrich wrote:
seriously? where's the contest? never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. |
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around |
Not even ITCOTCK? Because that is pretty much the basis for a whole lot of symph prog. |
symph prog is very limited though. |
symph prog is limited? compared to ....what? to king crimson maybe! crimson has some symphonic arrangements, but their not a symphnic prog band. they're " super-progressive prog " lol, that's like the very essence of progressive rock what im talking about.
but there is this thing on my mind now: you say symph prog is limited......then what is illuminating, if symph is limited?
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Posted: October 05 2011 at 06:15 |
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Improvisation rules
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dr prog
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Posted: October 05 2011 at 04:21 |
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I rate camel the better band because they had some great compositions. Quality prog. 70s Crimson were not composers after Sinfield left mainly, just experimenters, but they did write some nice slow tracks. Not sure how experimenting comes close to composing honestly. The best tracks from the Wetton era are Nightwatchman, Book of Saturday and Exiles imo. All slow songs. Starless is cool although I don't think it's half as good as some think. As for upbeat stuff, Crimson didn't have a composing idea really. A cool riff here and there but overall a solid band but many better at that time imo
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Posted: October 05 2011 at 02:14 |
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Love both bands equally.
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dr prog
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Posted: October 05 2011 at 00:35 |
rogerthat wrote:
dr prog wrote:
juandhaltrich wrote:
seriously? where's the contest? never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. |
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around |
Not even ITCOTCK? Because that is pretty much the basis for a whole lot of symph prog. |
symph prog is very limited though.
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Posted: October 05 2011 at 00:08 |
dr prog wrote:
juandhaltrich wrote:
seriously? where's the contest? never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. |
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around |
Not even ITCOTCK? Because that is pretty much the basis for a whole lot of symph prog.
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dr prog
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Posted: October 04 2011 at 23:26 |
juandhaltrich wrote:
seriously? where's the contest? never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. |
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around
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