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    Posted: May 23 2012 at 20:34
Originally posted by juandhaltrich

seriously?  where's the contest?  never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. 
This argument fails when one considers that the same can be said for the Moody Blues. A founding father of prog? Check. Mellotrons? Check. Flutes? orchestras? Check and check. Concept albums? Check. Spoken-word poetry? highly pretentious? Multi-suite songs? A concept album inspired by the first moon landing? Check. (If they had actually recorded a rock version of Dvorak as planned, I think we'd really be in trouble!) Ouch LOL

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Just got to know Camel a few months ago, and still am getting some albums (well, as a matter of fact, I still need to get a few King Crimson albums too, but overall I think I have a better idea of their discography). Though I have come to love some things from Camel quiet a bit, I still give the edge to King Crimson.
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I went with a crimson camel.
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KC too experimental?  Isn't that what prog fans look for?


No, they look for Hammonds and mellotrons and any other sounds that take them "right back to the 70s".  The rest are heretics.
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KC too experimental?  Isn't that what prog fans look for?  Would you rather listen to a band that fits comfortably in the genre, or a band that consistently takes chances?
 
Oh yeah..............I went with KC.
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Easily KC. Camel are hard to swallow. KC are much more fun ... and archetypal ... and dirty-visceral ... and they can be pure-visceral. Camel don't seem to be very open about it (to me at least.)

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I like them both, it's just that I prefer KC during their first years, and Camel since their first album!
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The critic in me acknowledges that King Crimson should win this poll, but the one I listen to more, like a secret guilty pleasure, is Camel. I feel more of an emotional connection to Camel, and I find the music to be more evocative. Crimson often leaves me cold, although "Starless" is one of my favorite prog songs ever.

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  Everyone likes different kinds of music?
 These are 2 different types of Music,are they not?
 ...so i guess were talkin about preference?
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When I can vote: KC.
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Two of my very faves. So, EQUALLY..
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Originally posted by juandhaltrich

Originally posted by dr prog

Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by dr prog

Originally posted by juandhaltrich

seriously?  where's the contest?  never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. 
 
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around
 
Not even ITCOTCK?  Because that is pretty much the basis for a whole lot of symph prog.
 
symph prog is very limited though.


symph prog is limited? compared to ....what?  to king crimson maybe! crimson has some symphonic arrangements, but their not a symphnic prog band. they're " super-progressive prog " lol, that's like the very essence of progressive rock what im talking about.


but  there is this thing on my mind now: you say symph prog is limited......then what is illuminating, if symph is limited?
 
Slow mellotron songs are limited, once you record a couple they start sounding similar Wink
I much prefer prog bands who compose really good upbeat songs as well as slow songs using their jazz and classical influences. I don't want to hear a song with 5 minutes of wind chime eg. Larks 1.  What's so good about it? Waste of album space when something great could have been included but Crimson were capable of upbeat greatness with Wetton and without SInfield imo  Big smile
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Originally posted by dr prog

Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by dr prog

Originally posted by juandhaltrich

seriously?  where's the contest?  never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. 
 
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around
 
Not even ITCOTCK?  Because that is pretty much the basis for a whole lot of symph prog.
 
symph prog is very limited though.


symph prog is limited? compared to ....what?  to king crimson maybe! crimson has some symphonic arrangements, but their not a symphnic prog band. they're " super-progressive prog " lol, that's like the very essence of progressive rock what im talking about.


but  there is this thing on my mind now: you say symph prog is limited......then what is illuminating, if symph is limited?
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Improvisation rules
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I rate camel the better band because they had some great compositions. Quality prog. 70s Crimson were not composers after Sinfield left mainly, just experimenters, but they did write some nice slow tracks. Not sure how experimenting comes close to composing honestly. The best tracks from the Wetton era are Nightwatchman, Book of Saturday and Exiles imo. All slow songs. Starless is cool although I don't think it's half as good as some think. As for upbeat stuff, Crimson didn't have a composing idea really. A cool riff here and there but overall a solid band but many better at that time imo

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Originally posted by rogerthat

Originally posted by dr prog

Originally posted by juandhaltrich

seriously?  where's the contest?  never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. 
 
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around
 
Not even ITCOTCK?  Because that is pretty much the basis for a whole lot of symph prog.
 
symph prog is very limited though.
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Originally posted by dr prog

Originally posted by juandhaltrich

seriously?  where's the contest?  never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. 
 
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around
 
Not even ITCOTCK?  Because that is pretty much the basis for a whole lot of symph prog.
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Originally posted by juandhaltrich

seriously?  where's the contest?  never an example can beat a definition. kc is in one of the definitions of prog itself. this poll is way too out of place. 
 
they don't fit my definition fully. Not the most melodic band going around
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