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    Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:36

i have always loved sabbath and after getting into prog appreciated them much more. After seeing them live at Donington this weekend my love for them has increased even more. One of the best moments of my life and they mostly stuck to the first 3 albums which for me is the ultimate era.

their setlist included:

black sabbath, the wizard, after forever, electric funeral, iron man, into the void, children of the grave, NIB, paranoid, dirty women, war pigs, sabbath bloody sabbath and fairies wear boots (not in that order)

They probably deserve a place here along with The who and led zeppelin as they are more proggy than some bands on this site (eg radiohead, styx, nightwish and phish)

"Solitude" is one of my favourite tracks and i was wondering who does the beautiful vocals? dont sound like ozzy, im guessing iommi or butler. I love the flute, this track is a bit like i talk to the wind.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 16:04
My first listen to 'Sabotage' was the most intense musical experience of
my life. Left me physically drained. Four huge progressive tracks,
including the masterful 'Megalomania'. Their albums had become
increasingly complex to this point, and Ozzy laid down the law (as they
could no longer perform the songs live). This was their last great album,
but possibly the only one able to be legitimately included on this site.

Solitude is Ozzy (as is the superior 'Planet Caravan' from Paranoid). The
first non-Ozzy vocal was Geezer Butler on 'It's Alright' (Technical Ecstasy).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 16:06
I  agree frenchie, DT fans, Styx fans watch out.....make way for Sabbath, Led Zep etc on this site. After all Prog Archives have bent the rules on Radihead, DT being included here etc already!! Not to mention unknown one album obscurities from around the globe. I am not against any sane inclusions but Sabbath and Zep surely must be included. Wishbone Ash anyone?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 16:13
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

My first listen to 'Sabotage' was the most intense musical experience of
my life. Left me physically drained. Four huge progressive tracks,
including the masterful 'Megalomania'. Their albums had become
increasingly complex to this point, and Ozzy laid down the law (as they
could no longer perform the songs live). This was their last great album,
but possibly the only one able to be legitimately included on this site.


I AGREE!!!

Solitude is Ozzy (as is the superior 'Planet Caravan' from Paranoid). The
first non-Ozzy vocal was Geezer Butler on 'It's Alright' (Technical Ecstasy).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:07
to be fair dream theater really do write progressive rock. i would say in at least 75% of their whole discography is prog. Its cool to bash them but they really do fit all the criteria, after hearing pretty much all their songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:12

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

to be fair dream theater really do write progressive rock. i would say in at least 75% of their whole discography is prog. Its cool to bash them but they really do fit all the criteria, after hearing pretty much all their songs.

Was there ever serious doubts about that then?????????????????

 

And now back to bashing DT

 

Why shouldn't you drive a mini-cooper with three DT members in it off a high Cliff.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:28
for that joke i give you a slow sarcastic clap of the hands and a look like the face of a horse annoyed as it is constantly being swarmed by flies as a poor italian street merchant plays a sad song on an out of tune, rusted and broken violin just for you tuxon


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:28
thats ozzy on vocals? f**k me i never knew he could sound like that! He is a legend
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:43

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

for that joke i give you a slow sarcastic clap of the hands and a look like the face of a horse annoyed as it is constantly being swarmed by flies as a poor italian street merchant plays a sad song on an out of tune, rusted and broken violin just for you tuxon


And I didn't even used the alternative punch line.

 

Involving flooting and hot air

 

Just kiddin' by the way.

 

Back on topic. Ozzie has one of the best voices in heavy rock.

 

Totally love him for Sabbath Bloody sabbath, Iron Man, and all those brilliantly sung classics

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:45
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

for that joke i give you a slow sarcastic clap of the hands and a look like the face of a horse annoyed as it is constantly being swarmed by flies as a poor italian street merchant plays a sad song on an out of tune, rusted and broken violin just for you tuxon


And I didn't even used the alternative punch line.

 

Involving flooting and hot air

 

Just kiddin' by the way.

 

Back on topic. Ozzie has one of the best voices in heavy rock.

 

Totally love him for Sabbath Bloody sabbath, Iron Man, and all those brilliantly sung classics



he certianly is original and to some extent not imitatable (despite being part of one of the most influencial rock bands of all time).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:48
anyway, tuxon me old chum, i am off to bed soon (23:45 here for the non brits), i do not know whether to listen to Opeth - Still Life or Black Sabbath - Best of (Disc One)on my walkman to help me drift off.

which disc should i choose?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:50
If you want a sure way to get to sleep fast, put Marillion on. Right Tux!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 18:56

If bands like Symphony X, DT, Fates Warning, Styx, Radiohead, etc., can be counted as prog open the doors for the most evil of all dark heavy rock: Sabbath. Fairies Wear Boots and Symptom Of The Universe can be up with the best of the genre, and songs like Planet Caravan and Solitude are very symphonic. The only thing I never really liked from Balck Sabbath was Ozzy Osborne's vocals but they were a very tight group.

Just like witches at black masses...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 19:06

i've decided to listen to the first track off still life (i can listen out for the ghostly cough) and then switch over to sabbath.

HEAVY METAL RULES (which ironically was an early pantera song in 1984 that sadly did not rule as they really hadn't grasped a good sound at that time)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2005 at 23:26

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

If you want a sure way to get to sleep fast, put Marillion on. Right Tux!

Yes.........ehr......

 

Why are you always bashing my favourite artist. It's not like I ever bash yours

 

 

 

 

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I'm off to work now. sleepy dreams boy's and girls



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 02:24

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:



Solitude is Ozzy (as is the superior 'Planet Caravan' from Paranoid). The
first non-Ozzy vocal was Geezer Butler on 'It's Alright' (Technical Ecstasy).

Pretty damn sure it was Bill Ward singing on It's Alright ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 04:25
I love Black Sabbath the masters of metal.If you think about it they invented all forms of metal.Gothic metal Vol 1,doom metal Paranoid or Masters of Reality,progressive and speed metal on Vol 4,Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and of course Sabatage.I must ad that Tony Iommi is the most underrated axman in the history of rock music.True I love prog with a passion but metal will always bring out the man,and metal will always be a male form of music,in me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 04:42

They are Godfathers of Heavy Metal with significant prog leanings IMO.

I love the track 'Solitude' too

I think Sabotage is their finest album by far IMO, and perhaps their most prog. I dont think there is a duff track on there, and Meglomania, and The Writ are absolute classics

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 05:58

They were on the Prog label VERTIGO and they are Prog in my view who else could do a track like "Planet Caravan" in 1970.

They deserve a place here alongside Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Cream and Iron Butterfly, I know not everyone will agree but I can defeltely see Prog/Psych in their music.

If they were to be added file them under Progressive Metal.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 06:18
Completely agree, they should be added. How does a controversial band get added to the archives? Through the use of a poll, for the forum using community to voice their opinions?
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