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Man With Hat 
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 Topic: The Krautrock SpacePosted: July 13 2012 at 03:01 |
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Finally got Can's Lost Tapes and starting listening to it...and damn. What a lovely thing it is. I wish there was more of this stuff in the vaults!
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 00:25 |
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This has probably been posted on previous pages, but if not, here's the whole bona fide thing:
To any of you guys that haven't seen this documentary, it's a must!  Great overview of the history and representative bands of that era, although a little bit more focus on Can would've been nice; No mention of Ash Ra Tempel, or Guru Guru though. Nice to see all the old Krautrockers are stilling kicking it.  Does anybody recognize the Cluster song at the end? It's beautiful and captivating. Edited by Fox On The Rocks - July 20 2012 at 00:26 |
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The Wrinkler
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 16:15 |
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The Cluster song is Fotschi Tong, on the Zuckerzeit album.
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 16:28 |
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Fox On The Rocks
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Posted: July 21 2012 at 12:23 |
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 Are you sure you know the one I'm talking about? That's a great tune, but the one I'm referring to is at the end of the whole documentary - Starting around 56:50, after the Bowie tune, closing off the movie into the credits.Edited by Fox On The Rocks - July 21 2012 at 12:24 |
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: July 25 2012 at 05:30 |
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Nice album from Austria, 1972.
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The Wrinkler
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Posted: August 02 2012 at 03:22 |
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Love the melody, and cool guitars. |
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Posted: August 21 2012 at 00:59 |
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Hi, I just bought MP3 downloads of Conrad Schnitzler's Rot and Blau albums. These include what sound like bonus tracks of later material, "Red Dream" and "Wild Space 1-6" with more synth and drum machine sounds. Can anyone tell me what years these come from?
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 04 2012 at 14:05 |
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^I'm afraid I am of little help there. I have some vinyls by Schnitzler that don't include bonus tracks. I surfed the net for some info, but winded up empty handed. Sorry man.
Earlier on in this thread we spoke about German groups who flirted around with the Krautrock sound, and Internationally put together Janus did indeed approach something very close with this abnormally beautiful thing simply called Gravedigger(Just listen to that freakin mellotron man!!!): |
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sagichim
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Posted: September 04 2012 at 17:01 |
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^ I love that Gravedigger album although I haven't listened to it in a long while. I remember it wasn't so Krautish.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 04 2012 at 17:27 |
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Yeah well, you are half right. The first side sounds like a cross between Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, whereas this second side is far more floating, psychedelic and serene. I would imagine their label having a hard time advertising them back in the day.
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Thanks for looking anyway, much appreciated.  I just like to have the right years against tracks, but the important thing really is that they sound good. |
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 13:33 |
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From back on page 35, quoting this now because that studio album Colin referred to has now been released, and the studio version of this song is the 23 minute closing track to the 2-hour album. I don't think I'd call it a Krautrock album, but it's dark and thrives on intensity built by repetition and drone. It's called "The Seer", and it's like really good. I don't expect them to be included in PA -- this album is quite a departure (they've usually been filed under post-punk or goth) while at the same time a culmination of various aspects of the band saved up over 30 years of activity. It's a big deal for fans. Edited by HolyMoly - September 05 2012 at 13:34 |
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 13:38 |
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Sounds very interesting Steve. The way you describe it makes me think it was made for me. Thanks for the heads up man
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 13:42 |
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Amen to that! I do know what you mean about throwing tracks together from altogether different eras of any band. Can be very weird, and not in a good way. Quite a ways from Ummagumma to Division Bell eh? |
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 14:28 |
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Have you seen this band, Kung Fu? They KICK ASS!
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 14:48 |
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Cool cover song but I don't think that Billy Cobham qualifies as Krautrock. Probably would be better posted in a jazz rock thread.
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 17:10 |
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And specially important here is what Edgar Froese says ... nothing ... absolutely nothing ... explains krautrock better than his words. It's a shame that we do not give these folks the credit they deserve for having developed a musical philosophy ... that is still copied today! There is a lot of stuff about Can, and most of it is centered on Holger and Jacki. It was kinda sad that they did not reach out for Samo Suzuki for a few words, but Damo can be rather evasive and sometimes say absolutely nothing in a conversation which would be counter productive to something like this ... this is/was a great chance to revisit a time and life that will never be repeated again artistically! I would have liked the whole thing mix more folks involved with film, theater, literature and painting ... the whole thing makes it look like they were totally isolated and that these people did not know "art" or what they were doing, and many of them were working with other folks that also became very well known for doing "krautrock" in their own sphere, specially theater and film! ... but we did not have a term for those scenes, and do not think that we should use krautrock to discuss film or art, or theater ... all of which are a part of life. Psychedelia is remembered, also because of its arts ... not just the music!
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I like these albums ... however, they are a throwback to a time and place when you sat, got stoned and listened to music ... and it didn't matter what was playing or what was happening. Today, this can not be done, and no one does these kinds of things ... a few years back, the raves tried to do this, but the whole thing was centered around just one beat ... and these are definitly NOT centered around one beat and many times they change and become something else. There is no rock music, anywhere ... that is like this or does this ... specially when the "idea" is NOT to be musically defined ... this is about the "moment", never the music! And this is the reason why AD2's first album was so important, by using the previous experience. It was all about getting stoned, having sex and a party! And the whole piece is like that, ending with a raucous rock piece. I really thought that the conceptual element in the whole band were never so clear, as they became right there ... they wanted to make "music" ... and the previous thing was just a commune getting stoned and playing, regardless of who was there or showed up. And if it had "music" in it, it was almost incidental.
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Some old holy curmudgeon said from his holy trinity of a chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... is always better sex for your and your lover!
www.pedrosena.com |
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 17:52 |
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Even though Klaus Schulze has trashed this senselessly, this is not bad ... but the voals by Walter do get a bit ... out there and boring after awhile. But it is a rather interesting, very adventurous, interpretation of the Tarot's Major Arcana ... which (of course) is not a progressive concept, specially when it comes off like Aleister Crowley on drugs ... with a voice that is trying to be low and heavy ... to make it sound more important. In general, it becomes a turn off for many people. But if you can separate that, and his giving you information about each card, there are some incendiary and far out electronics in there ... and stuff ... and it is an incredible blow out by Klaus Schulze, who obviously had a slight, if not deeper understanding and appreciation for the subject matter! It's not a great album. But it is worth having if you collect. |
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