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Blacksword
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Topic: Drama vs 90125 Posted: April 01 2011 at 17:17 |
As much as I love Drama my vote goes to 90125. Yes needs Anderson on vocals in my opinion, and 90125 was more of a 'progression' from what had gone before. I think it stands out as a high point in 80's rock music, with it's fresh bright production and fantastic mix of heavy rock, with electronic sampling and strong melodies. It may have signaled the creative downfall of Yes for many die hards, but I rate it among their best.
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 17:20 |
I think Drama will win easily this poll, which is why I'm tempted to vote for 90125.
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 17:35 |
For me it is not a temptation to vote for 90125, but a fact.
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PabstRibbon
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 17:37 |
Drama is very good. Not a single weak tracks and a good mix of prog and pop. A classic for me and worth 4 stars while 90125 never got me, even if I have listened to it a lots of time. Maybe I didn't gave it a good chance. Anyway my vote goes for Drama.
Edited by PabstRibbon - April 01 2011 at 17:39
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 18:04 |
Drama ---one has god Howe and the other Van Rabin---just another rock guitarist.
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Phideaux
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 18:12 |
While I agree there is something about Anderson that really consolidates "Yes", the same can be true for the sound of Squire's bass and Howe's wacky style of playing. Sure, Time and A Word are great albums by Anderson, Squire, etc. but they don't really COOK with the Yes sound that would come with Howe and whatever god's Offord aligned with by the time of Yes Album. However, the sound of Yes, for me, was as much the tough bass/drum/guitar nucleus with Anderson and zany keyboards overlaid.
So, while I dearly love both albums - Drama as a recent aquisition and 90125 as something that I lived through at the time -- I'm going with Drama. Even without Anderson, that clean/reverb free tight sound is evident. The songs are very absorbing, although a little bit Yes-lite, but at least they are like Yes. 90125 is a FANTASTIC new creation of rock music for the 80s. Very much the future, very much chrome like the cover. The fact that Anderson is singing is like he's been exhumed from death a million years later and through the wonders of cybernetics fashioned into a robot to appear in this new slick music. But, as much as I loved it and was all about that version of Yes at the time, in retrospect, it's not really Yes music to me. Drama wins (on many levels and as much because I also loved the Buggles in the 80s!)
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Prog Geo
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 18:42 |
Drama!
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Anthony H.
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 18:56 |
While Anderson is truly the spirit of Yes, his brilliance is overshadowed by Rabin's mediocrity on 90125. It's not a bad album, though. However, Drama is much better.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 20:16 |
All I can say is that I bought a CD copy of Drama and am not interested in 90210. I was when it first came out but I don't need it in my collection. Non essential material.
Edited by Slartibartfast - April 01 2011 at 20:17
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Phideaux
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 20:39 |
In absentia?
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crimhead
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 23:04 |
The one with the Los Angeles zip code.
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Posted: April 01 2011 at 23:05 |
I love Drama. 90125 is a beer coaster in the den.
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Progosopher
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 01:00 |
Phideaux wrote:
While I agree there is something about Anderson that really consolidates "Yes", the same can be true for the sound of Squire's bass and Howe's wacky style of playing. Sure, Time and A Word are great albums by Anderson, Squire, etc. but they don't really COOK with the Yes sound that would come with Howe and whatever god's Offord aligned with by the time of Yes Album. However, the sound of Yes, for me, was as much the tough bass/drum/guitar nucleus with Anderson and zany keyboards overlaid.
So, while I dearly love both albums - Drama as a recent aquisition and 90125 as something that I lived through at the time -- I'm going with Drama. Even without Anderson, that clean/reverb free tight sound is evident. The songs are very absorbing, although a little bit Yes-lite, but at least they are like Yes. 90125 is a FANTASTIC new creation of rock music for the 80s. Very much the future, very much chrome like the cover. The fact that Anderson is singing is like he's been exhumed from death a million years later and through the wonders of cybernetics fashioned into a robot to appear in this new slick music. But, as much as I loved it and was all about that version of Yes at the time, in retrospect, it's not really Yes music to me. Drama wins (on many levels and as much because I also loved the Buggles in the 80s!)
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Well said!
For me, Drama is the preferred of the two, but I cannot really say it is the better. It is certainly unique in the Yes canon, and not just because of Anderson's absence. So much of it sounds different - Squire, White, and especially Howe move in different directions. And yet, somehow, it captures the spirit of Yes. 90125 showed us a leaner version of Yes, but as noted on The Word Is Live collection, it boasts three original members of the band, something that had not happened in 15 years. And again, somehow, it captures the spirit of Yes.
By the way, Drama was the second time I saw Yes live. It was strange with J.A., but the combination of Horn and Squire's harmonies emulated his vocal sound. That show really rocked. Imagine Machine Messiah live, amped up, and THUNDERING. Tempus Fugit kicked, too. I wish I saw 90125 live, but alas, I was far from civilization during those years.
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 01:29 |
Drama, easy. A much misunderstood and underappreciated album. Some great playing from Squire and Howe.
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unclemeat69
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 02:34 |
90125 I actually lik Rabin's playing better than Howe's although Howe sounded better on Drama than on the previous 3 albums.
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 04:09 |
Drama without doubts.
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 04:13 |
They are both excellent
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 04:16 |
Love both. But 90125 was more of a revelation to me. So my vote goes to 90125.
Edited by Snow Dog - April 02 2011 at 04:17
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akaBona
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 05:06 |
you can easily live without 90125 and when you sometimes here something of it it don't bother you. can't say this about drama ... one of bands worst records ...
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Posted: April 02 2011 at 06:27 |
90125 times better for me
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