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Gandalff
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 14:54 | |||
The man who´s recorded Tubular Bells.
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
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richardh
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:52 | |||
Oldfield has also done some pretty uninspired stuff as well like Islands and just about everything after Tres Lunas.
This is a particlularly hard poll as I love both artists. 5 star albums?:
TD
Ricochet
Force Majeure
Tangram
Pergamon
Poland
Purgatorio
MO
Hergest Ridge
Ommadawn
Incantations
Amarok
Songs Of Distant Earth
TD it is by 6-5!
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:53 | |||
^ I like how he missed TD's 5 or 6 best albums there
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richardh
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 15:56 | |||
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Logan
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:00 | |||
For the first four albums in particular, Tangerine Dream by a light year. I wonder why they aren't rated higher?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:02 | |||
^They are good ratings.
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Gandalff
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:07 | |||
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
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Bonnek
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:07 | |||
TD for everything 71-78, Oldfield was really good in those years as well. |
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richardh
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:09 | |||
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Dean
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:17 | |||
this is just a inconsequential poll, did I really need to hide half the posts here?
(rhetorical question - don't answer it )
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What?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:21 | |||
Comer off it Dean, none of my posts were that bad..or offensive or anything.
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Logan
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:21 | |||
Compared to albums by other well-known names of the time, teh ratings are quite mediocre. I happen to think them all essential, and prefer them to the subsequent higher rated TD albums, but of course I recognise that my tastes are not the most mainstream here. Zeit, which I think a masterpiece, would be a real chore for most to listen to. I'm trying to think of how many classic big names of their categories would have had that kind of average for their first four albums. Commonly, the ratings went down later on into the 70's (Rush's early albums were rated lower than subsequent ones). I might have thought Zeit and Atem would be rated essential., but then I guess the music is not as accessible as later albums, so that's why. Genesis' Duke is generally not considered to be a great album, but it rates higher than Zeit., so does And then there Were Three (which I happen to like). Rush's Vapor Trails, and that gets disparaged quite a bit, has a higher rating. Yes' Drama rates considerably higher. Good ratings or not, I still would have expected higher ratings, but I shouldn't really. Edited by Logan - April 14 2011 at 16:24 |
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:22 | |||
I'm inclined to strongly agree. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:24 | |||
Atem is closer to 4 and he others around the 3.5 mark. not bad for "difficult" albums. Better than average I think personally.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:30 | |||
I see your point Ian, but I still agree with him - I wish they were rated higher. Incidentally, Atem is maybe my least favorite of the first four (though still worthy of 4 stars from me) and Zeit is probably my favorite of them...I have things backwards, it seems.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:32 | |||
Actually, if you look at some other "notoriously difficult" albums, the ratings seem consistently higher to me 4.17 | 63 ratings Univers Zero (1313) 4.18 | 94 ratings Heresie 3.94 | 59 ratings Ceux Du Dehors 4.03 | 71 ratings Legend 3.88 | 50 ratings In Praise Of Learning 4.26 | 70 ratings Western Culture 4.21 | 11 ratings Unrest (Remastered) 3.97 | 123 ratings Magma (Kobaïa) 4.10 | 126 ratings 1001° Centigrades 4.21 | 272 ratings Mëkanïk Dëstruktïẁ Kömmandöh 4.13 | 160 ratings Köhntarkösz 4.33 | 97 ratings Ẁurdah Ïtah (Christian Vander) etc. |
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:34 | |||
I'm thinking the difference must be that completionist fans of later, more accessible TD realise "you know what? this sh*t is different"
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:35 | |||
^ A lot of Magma there with ratings that I would expect.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:35 | |||
You could be right.
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Logan
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:35 | |||
It's Zeit that particularly surprised me when I saw the rating before. It is an album that people are divided on, even with collab reviewers who are generally more cautious with the way they rate (me, I just rate stuff I love). Thesse are diametrically opposed interesting reviews to compare which provided some insight to me: Review by greenback SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Neo-Prog Specialist
What a shame!
The music consists in 2-3 humming refrigerators at the same time, plus a portative fan that
turns back and forth to make the anyway inexistent rhythm, and finally a coming cluster of
threatening killer bees! There are tons of albums better than this one to describe the desolation once you go alone on Mars! The album is even not minimalist! Rating: 0.5 star Review by
philippe
A deep « abstract » universe offered by this electronic, semi-acoustic meditative
Largo in four movements. The music is an « organic » & « orgasmic » evocation of the
infinite beauty, illustrated by higher world. It touches the heart and the most hidden
parts of our subconsious. The continuous sound forms largely used for each part
suggests a "catharsis" process, a purification of the spirit. In popular music I've
rarely heard a such intense and "cerebral " work. "Zeit" follows the schematic ideas
of "Alpha Centauri" but here the instrumentation is entirely focused on "loops", and
moving, floating keyboards lines. Only albums as Cluster II, Klaus Schulze's Irrlicht,
Roedelius' Acon 2000/1 or more recently "Omit" project by Clinton Williams can equal
this one in term of "introspective" achievement. Otherwise we need to look for
masterworks in electro-acoustic and minimal art researches to have a similar
experience throw time (Parmegiani, Philip Corner, Ramon Sender, Henry Jacobs.).
The first "Birth of liquid Plejades" is a "dreamy" dominated Moog synth composition.
This one is my favorite. It is a fantastic voyage throw the unknown. It includes first
hypnotic "scary" manipulated sounds, repetitive organ patterns. The second part of
the track features near, modular synth sounds in a plaintive tone, then comes a low
cello bass line. It delivers instrumental sequences amplified by electric "drone"
effects. "Nebulous Dawn" is a rather dark, creepy atmospheric tune with organ
patterns, circular noises and a vibrant cello bass. "Origins of supernatural
probabilities" starts with a rather melancholic organ melody, then during more that 10
minutes we hear mysterious soundscapes with diverse sorts of electronic
superpositions. At the end of the tune we go back to the original melody. "Zeit" (part
4) is an "abstract" synth theme with long silences and dark musical textures.
The best TD album with "Alpha Centauri" & "Atem". Nothing to do with their golden
years. I've included this one in my top 10 favorite progressive albums. A physical
dimension of sounds that demands to be lived as an experience.
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