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    Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:36
Köhntarkösz is the only one I'm disappointed with...I still don't see what makes people think it's such an amazing album (studio versions, at least). 

OK, done with being off-topic.
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Yeah, Logan, for fans of that era of TD Zeit is generally regarded as the masterpiece.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:39
Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by Snow Dog

^They are good ratings.


Compared to albums by other well-known names of the time, teh ratings are quite mediocre.  I happen to think them all essential, and prefer them to the subsequent higher rated TD albums, but of course I recognise that my tastes are not the most mainstream here.  Zeit, which I think a masterpiece, would be a real chore for most to listen to.

I'm trying to think of how many big names of their categories would have had that kind of average for their first four albums.  Commonly, the ratings went down later on into the 70's (Rush's early albums were rated lower than subsequent ones).

So they're phey're pretty average ratings, I think.  I might have thought Zeit and Atem would be rated essential., but then I guess the music is not as accessible as later albums, so that's why. Genesis' Duke is generally not considered to be a great album, but it rates higher than Zeit., so does And then there Were Three (which I happen to like). Rush's Vapor Trails, and that gets disparaged quite a bit, has a higher rating. Yes' Drama rates considerably higher.  Good ratings or not, I still would have expected higher ratings.

Atem is closer to 4 and he others around the 3.5 mark. not bad for "difficult" albums. Better than average I think personally.


It's Zeit that particularly surprised me when I saw the rating before.  It is an album that people are divided on, even with collab reviewers who are generally more cautious with the way they rate (me, I just rate stuff I love).

Thesse are diametrically opposed interesting reviews to compare which provided some insight to me:


Review by greenback
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1 stars What a shame! The music consists in 2-3 humming refrigerators at the same time, plus a portative fan that turns back and forth to make the anyway inexistent rhythm, and finally a coming cluster of threatening killer bees!

There are tons of albums better than this one to describe the desolation once you go alone on Mars! The album is even not minimalist!

Rating: 0.5 star


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5 stars A deep « abstract » universe offered by this electronic, semi-acoustic meditative Largo in four movements. The music is an « organic » & « orgasmic » evocation of the infinite beauty, illustrated by higher world. It touches the heart and the most hidden parts of our subconsious. The continuous sound forms largely used for each part suggests a "catharsis" process, a purification of the spirit. In popular music I've rarely heard a such intense and "cerebral " work. "Zeit" follows the schematic ideas of "Alpha Centauri" but here the instrumentation is entirely focused on "loops", and moving, floating keyboards lines. Only albums as Cluster II, Klaus Schulze's Irrlicht, Roedelius' Acon 2000/1 or more recently "Omit" project by Clinton Williams can equal this one in term of "introspective" achievement. Otherwise we need to look for masterworks in electro-acoustic and minimal art researches to have a similar experience throw time (Parmegiani, Philip Corner, Ramon Sender, Henry Jacobs.). The first "Birth of liquid Plejades" is a "dreamy" dominated Moog synth composition. This one is my favorite. It is a fantastic voyage throw the unknown. It includes first hypnotic "scary" manipulated sounds, repetitive organ patterns. The second part of the track features near, modular synth sounds in a plaintive tone, then comes a low cello bass line. It delivers instrumental sequences amplified by electric "drone" effects. "Nebulous Dawn" is a rather dark, creepy atmospheric tune with organ patterns, circular noises and a vibrant cello bass. "Origins of supernatural probabilities" starts with a rather melancholic organ melody, then during more that 10 minutes we hear mysterious soundscapes with diverse sorts of electronic superpositions. At the end of the tune we go back to the original melody. "Zeit" (part 4) is an "abstract" synth theme with long silences and dark musical textures. The best TD album with "Alpha Centauri" & "Atem". Nothing to do with their golden years. I've included this one in my top 10 favorite progressive albums. A physical dimension of sounds that demands to be lived as an experience.

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Even the one star review makes it seem interesting to me.LOL
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote harmonium.ro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:41
Everybody I know has heard at least one TD album in their life because they're simply too major a band not to stumble upon them one way or another. The ratings reflect this IMO. However, I've never heard of this happening to Magma and UZ; their audience is much more limited, the typical niche audience. Hence the higher ratings. 
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Everybody I know has heard at least one TD album in their life because they're simply too major a band not to stumble upon them one way or another. The ratings reflect this IMO. However, I've never heard of this happening to Magma and UZ; their audience is much more limited, the typical niche audience. Hence the higher ratings. 


Oddly enough, I stumbled upon Magma long before TD.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:47
Tangerine Dream by a mile.

I can take or leave Oldfield.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote harmonium.ro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 16:48
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil

Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Everybody I know has heard at least one TD album in their life because they're simply too major a band not to stumble upon them one way or another. The ratings reflect this IMO. However, I've never heard of this happening to Magma and UZ; their audience is much more limited, the typical niche audience. Hence the higher ratings. 


Oddly enough, I stumbled upon Magma long before TD.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mista-Gordie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 18:20
tangerine dream is very good but Mike Oldfield. by a hundred miles
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 18:28
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SaltyJon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 18:29
...what?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Proletariat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 18:29
TD by a ton! Oldfield is great but TD does things to my mind that little music can! TD takes me places!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2011 at 18:29
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil

TD is better in just about every way imaginable
 
I think that if Mike would stop doing refab versions of Tubular Bells, I might like him even more ... but please ... don't ever ask me if I like Amorok better than Stratosfear or anything else ... I might break something over your left toe!
 
But in terms of creativity, output and fearlessness, I would say that TD is much more important and what they did in music and their eventual history will probably last a lot longer than Mike will.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2011 at 01:56
Interestingly Mike Oldfield owes something to TD for even having a career. Richard Branson formed Virgin records on the back of importing and selling TD albums. Oldfield offered Tubular Bells to just about every major record label but in the end it was only Branson who was prepared to give it a chance.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harold-The-Barrel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2011 at 07:03
Tangerine Dream
You must be joking.....Take a running jump......
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Post Options Post Options   Quote jean-marie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2011 at 07:25
can(t vote ,love both equaly,but saw the dream so many times on stage
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Post Options Post Options   Quote King Manuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2011 at 07:42
Originally posted by richardh

Interestingly Mike Oldfield owes something to TD for even having a career. Richard Branson formed Virgin records on the back of importing and selling TD albums. Oldfield offered Tubular Bells to just about every major record label but in the end it was only Branson who was prepared to give it a chance.
Thanks for the update on my family history. Wink My wife is related to Richard Branson (although only very very very far related).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote leadsynt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2011 at 11:06
too much different to be compared ...  I repect TD but I prefer MO. I would compare TD to Kraftwerk for example (I would vote for the Kraftwerk in that case .... Wink)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote crimhead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2011 at 12:40
I'm surprised that it is this close. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Navegador Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2011 at 20:17
  I dislike both of them, so I won't vote. But I admit I haven't heard much of DT.  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Truth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2011 at 21:01
Originally posted by Navegador

  I dislike both of them, so I won't vote. But I admit I haven't heard much of DT.  
 
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