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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

No it isn't a game. It's a band making music. Some may like it some may not. It was never a game.
 
I would like to suggest that you are mis-reading the wording.
 
I always thought that ELP was very good ... no question there ... but with the fun songs and what not -- with which they got a lot more radio attention, than otherwise ... it took a certain amount of the beauty and the seriousness of the work ... at the end of the day ... it was all just a fun radio song and who cares about serious stuff or better music ...
 
The "violence" and the way I used the words was relative to their ... out front ... style, which is ok ... and even the lyrics, which are often quite strong ... "don't tell me lies!" (punch, punch,accent -- how much more affirmative can that be? in music? )  ... kinda of thing ... it was not meant as the typical hollywood screamer 3 or 4 or 39 that everyone thinks is so cool. There is a place in music for that expression as there is in art and such ... and I would never suggest otherwise ... and you should know/understand that about me by now!
 
For me, music is life. Life is music ... so "a band making music" ... has no meaning whatsoever, btw ... it's all an art form related to our expressions ... and I do not think that music, is any different than anything else. Your words and work and reviews is no different in totality for me, than a "band" making music! ... you are making music of the work you love!
 
Quite different way of seeing things than .... you are used to, I'm sure!


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ConfusedI get the feeling that I'm supposed to take a stab at answering this one.O.K.,but there's going to be a small price to pay for this seemingly unsurmountable task.When I 1st read this I thought this makes no sense at all.But after I read it a 2nd time,I think it started to actually make some sense(.More likely I'm losing it).ELP didn't have many radio hits.Back then,even though the market was becoming album oriented,every band still wanted a radio hit to help sell the album and to become more widely known to a larger audience.Emerson's idea for their 1st hit was Knife-Edge to show people the complexity of their music.The song has absolutely no AM radio potential,so Lake put in his song that he wrote when he was 12,Lucky Man,behind Emerson's back.Having obvious commercial appeal,it did chart,but even though it eventually became a famous "anthem" of theirs,it charted at a very low position at the time.The next 2 albums were concept albums(Tarkus,Pictures)and there were no possible "hits",but they did start to play a few "fun" songs that you were complaining about(i.e. Jeremy Bender,Are You Ready Eddy,Nutrocker).On their next album,Trilogy,they finally got a solid Top 40 hit with From the Beginning,but it was a very serious artistic song,and the only "fun" song was The Sheriff.On Brain Salad,it was Benny The Bouncer.Then in England,they would later have 2 big hit songs in Father Christmas and Fanfare.So out of 9 albums,they had only 4 hit songs and 5 "fun" songs,hardly enough to get much radio play that you are claiming or enough to sacrifice any of the beauty of their music.(Moodies had 7 core studio albums,as did ELP,King Crimson,Renaissance,Rush,Deep Purple,and many others.Yes(8),Genesis(6).
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

No it isn't a game. It's a band making music. Some may like it some may not. It was never a game.
 
I would like to suggest that you are mis-reading the wording.
 
I always thought that ELP was very good ... no question there ... but with the fun songs and what not -- with which they got a lot more radio attention, than otherwise ... it took a certain amount of the beauty and the seriousness of the work ... at the end of the day ... it was all just a fun radio song and who cares about serious stuff or better music ...
 
The "violence" and the way I used the words was relative to their ... out front ... style, which is ok ... and even the lyrics, which are often quite strong ... "don't tell me lies!" (punch, punch,accent -- how much more affirmative can that be? in music? )  ... kinda of thing ... it was not meant as the typical hollywood screamer 3 or 4 or 39 that everyone thinks is so cool. There is a place in music for that expression as there is in art and such ... and I would never suggest otherwise ... and you should know/understand that about me by now!
 
For me, music is life. Life is music ... so "a band making music" ... has no meaning whatsoever, btw ... it's all an art form related to our expressions ... and I do not think that music, is any different than anything else. Your words and work and reviews is no different in totality for me, than a "band" making music! ... you are making music of the work you love!
 
Quite different way of seeing things than .... you are used to, I'm sure!
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I love ELP, but The Moodies mean a lot more to me, emotionally. I spent more time listening to their first five albums (not counting the pre-Hayward/Lodge album) than to the entire discography of the rest of the early progressive bands together.
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happy to read such about the Moody blues, i tried a poll about  them a few weeks ago but it didn't get so many answers, I know what to do next time , moody blues versus Motorhead LOLBeer
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Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

I love ELP, but The Moodies mean a lot more to me, emotionally. I spent more time listening to their first five albums (not counting the pre-Hayward/Lodge album) than to the entire discography of the rest of the early progressive bands together.
                                             for me the first seven albums from days of future to seven sojourn, but it needs several listenings ,it's the way it worked for me at the time,
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[/QUOTE]
 
Angry (Just kidding! Wink)
 
 
I would say that The Moodies' fame rests not on DOFP alone, but on the series of the core seven albums they released between 1967-72. The Moodies were a major influence on King Crimson, Mike Pinder revolutionised the Mellotron (its technology and its techniques), Ray Thomas likewise was a pathfinder for the flute in rock music. The Moodies also took the concept of the concept album to new heights. But enough already.
 
     
 
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Sorry but can't see the connection between the Moodies and King Crimson other than both bands feature Mellotron. Did Fripp ever claim that the Moodies were a major influence on King Crimson's music?
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Originally posted by jean-marie jean-marie wrote:

happy to read such about the Moody blues, i tried a poll about  them a few weeks ago but it didn't get so many answers, I know what to do next time , moody blues versus Motorhead LOLBeer


LOL Don't count on it.

Seriously, I was in my early teens when the first Moody Blues albums came out and to me they were pure magic. They had a formidable impact on the direction my musical interest headed afterwards. I don't think I would've gone on to listen to ELP (or any of the other prog greats) at all if it weren't for The Moodies ploughing the way.
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ELP much more.
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Moody Blues here. I love the vocals. I can find several songs on nearly every album that wow me. ELP, though I love the keys they don't give me the
"FEELING" the Moodies give.
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

 

Sorry but can't see the connection between the Moodies and King Crimson other than both bands feature Mellotron. Did Fripp ever claim that the Moodies were a major influence on King Crimson's music?
 
 
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Originally posted by rematpac rematpac wrote:

ConfusedWe don't listen to ELP 40 years later because Emerson stabbed his organ with knives,or he spun around on a grand piano while playing from a death-defying distance at the top of a coliseum,we listen to it today for it's music only which has stood the test of time very well.Sure ELP knew that it would unfortunately take more than their serious music to make it to the top of the Rock heap,but on their 1977 tour they went bankrupt ,lost their own record company,Manticore,and everything trying to take a full hand-picked orchestra on the road with them for their music's sake.Very few bands have taken their music more seriously,Emerson composing a serious Piano Concerto,which included using a 12-tone tone row in part of the composition because he wanted his composition to be taken seriously by classical composers as well and atonal music was still the style for classical composers at the time and almost a prerequisite back then.
Originally posted by moshkito
<DIV>Rick Wakeman put out an album (strictly piano) It is called Country Airs. I thought it was very nice, nothing fancy, just pretty piano. I personally asked Rick about this album, you know his reply? (refering to your Emerson going classical) I needed the money. (Yes, my brother and I had about a 20 minute 2 on 1 with Mr. Wakeman.</DIV>
<DIV> moshkito
Rick Wakeman put out an album (strictly piano) It is called Country Airs. I thought it was very nice, nothing fancy, just pretty piano. I personally asked Rick about this album, you know his reply? (refering to your Emerson going classical) I needed the money. (Yes, my brother and I had about a 20 minute 2 on 1 with Mr. Wakeman.
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Hi,
 
It's not a hard choice.
 
Moody Blues ... because ELP, by the time they hit the road, already were representing a part of the rock music world that became ugly, and was about the excesses and the abuses, rather than the music itself.
 
Granted, it was the time for abuses, excesses, drugs and what not ... but I'm not sure that it was necessary all around, and while a few of the pieces by ELP are very nice and meaningful, in the end, with the exception of a piece or two in each album, some of the stuff was not as enjoyable or as good for me. And in this sense, I thought that the Moody Blues were a bit more serious about their music and work, albeit I would agree that they tried to get "poetically cute" to get more attention ... but their first album is, in many ways, a much more important listen when it comes to the histroy of rock music ... because it really showed that young folks that played rock music could do some very nice and important things that were far more than just a radio song!
 
ELP, and I like and have the first several albums, is very nice ... and the "violence" they tend to do some things is very clear and a valid point and attitude in music and its expression ... however, after one kill ... it's a game?
Well, there it is. (Amadeus)
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Originally posted by Steven Brodziak Steven Brodziak wrote:

Originally posted by rematpac rematpac wrote:

ConfusedWe don't listen to ELP 40 years later because Emerson stabbed his organ with knives,or he spun around on a grand piano while playing from a death-defying distance at the top of a coliseum,we listen to it today for it's music only which has stood the test of time very well.Sure ELP knew that it would unfortunately take more than their serious music to make it to the top of the Rock heap,but on their 1977 tour they went bankrupt ,lost their own record company,Manticore,and everything trying to take a full hand-picked orchestra on the road with them for their music's sake.Very few bands have taken their music more seriously,Emerson composing a serious Piano Concerto,which included using a 12-tone tone row in part of the composition because he wanted his composition to be taken seriously by classical composers as well and atonal music was still the style for classical composers at the time and almost a prerequisite back then.
Originally posted by moshkito 
<DIV>Rick Wakeman put out an album (strictly piano) It is called Country Airs. I thought it was very nice, nothing fancy, just pretty piano. I personally asked Rick about this album, you know his reply? (refering to your Emerson going classical) I needed the money. (Yes, my brother and I had about a 20 minute 2 on 1 with Mr. Wakeman.<img src=http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley6.gif height=17 width=17 border=0 alt=Unhappy title=Unhappy />You were most fortunate to have this conversation and Wakeman be so candid with you.Thanks for sharing this story with me sincerely.</DIV>
<DIV> moshkito
Rick Wakeman put out an album (strictly piano) It is called Country Airs. I thought it was very nice, nothing fancy, just pretty piano. I personally asked Rick about this album, you know his reply? (refering to your Emerson going classical) I needed the money. (Yes, my brother and I had about a 20 minute 2 on 1 with Mr. Wakeman.UnhappyYou were most fortunate to have this conversation and Wakeman be so candid with you.Thanks for sharing this story with me sincerely.
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Hi,
 
It's not a hard choice.
 
Moody Blues ... because ELP, by the time they hit the road, already were representing a part of the rock music world that became ugly, and was about the excesses and the abuses, rather than the music itself.
 
Granted, it was the time for abuses, excesses, drugs and what not ... but I'm not sure that it was necessary all around, and while a few of the pieces by ELP are very nice and meaningful, in the end, with the exception of a piece or two in each album, some of the stuff was not as enjoyable or as good for me. And in this sense, I thought that the Moody Blues were a bit more serious about their music and work, albeit I would agree that they tried to get "poetically cute" to get more attention ... but their first album is, in many ways, a much more important listen when it comes to the histroy of rock music ... because it really showed that young folks that played rock music could do some very nice and important things that were far more than just a radio song!
 
ELP, and I like and have the first several albums, is very nice ... and the "violence" they tend to do some things is very clear and a valid point and attitude in music and its expression ... however, after one kill ... it's a game?
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Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by MoodyRush MoodyRush wrote:

 *snip*  you can tell my choice from my username! Wink
 
Ditto, although Pictures At An Exhibition was actually the first prog album I bought with my own money as a spotty teen. Still remember venturing into the big smoke (well, Glasgow city centre) to get it and BJH's Early Morning Onwards for the cost of one full-price album. Happy days! Before that it was T.Rex for me... and I always wanted corkscrew hair. Never did get that chopper either. UnhappyTongue   
 
oddly that was the same for me. Back in 1976 Pictures cost £2 as a 'budget album' so was all I could afford. Then I played it and wondered 'what the f**k is this??'. Anyway I did eventually get Tarkus ,Trilogy etc which are much better.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

No it isn't a game. It's a band making music. Some may like it some may not. It was never a game.
 
I would like to suggest that you are mis-reading the wording.
 
I always thought that ELP was very good ... no question there ... but with the fun songs and what not -- with which they got a lot more radio attention, than otherwise ... it took a certain amount of the beauty and the seriousness of the work ... at the end of the day ... it was all just a fun radio song and who cares about serious stuff or better music ...
 
The "violence" and the way I used the words was relative to their ... out front ... style, which is ok ... and even the lyrics, which are often quite strong ... "don't tell me lies!" (punch, punch,accent -- how much more affirmative can that be? in music? )  ... kinda of thing ... it was not meant as the typical hollywood screamer 3 or 4 or 39 that everyone thinks is so cool. There is a place in music for that expression as there is in art and such ... and I would never suggest otherwise ... and you should know/understand that about me by now!
 
For me, music is life. Life is music ... so "a band making music" ... has no meaning whatsoever, btw ... it's all an art form related to our expressions ... and I do not think that music, is any different than anything else. Your words and work and reviews is no different in totality for me, than a "band" making music! ... you are making music of the work you love!
 
Quite different way of seeing things than .... you are used to, I'm sure!

I disagree with the first paragraph and the rest I don't get.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
It's not a hard choice.
 
Moody Blues ... because ELP, by the time they hit the road, already were representing a part of the rock music world that became ugly, and was about the excesses and the abuses, rather than the music itself.
 
Granted, it was the time for abuses, excesses, drugs and what not ... but I'm not sure that it was necessary all around, and while a few of the pieces by ELP are very nice and meaningful, in the end, with the exception of a piece or two in each album, some of the stuff was not as enjoyable or as good for me. And in this sense, I thought that the Moody Blues were a bit more serious about their music and work, albeit I would agree that they tried to get "poetically cute" to get more attention ... but their first album is, in many ways, a much more important listen when it comes to the histroy of rock music ... because it really showed that young folks that played rock music could do some very nice and important things that were far more than just a radio song!
 
ELP, and I like and have the first several albums, is very nice ... and the "violence" they tend to do some things is very clear and a valid point and attitude in music and its expression ... however, after one kill ... it's a game?
 
ELP always had a much more rock n roll atittude than other prog bands. They enjoyed all the trappings of being rock stars. Then they settled down, Emerson developed a bad drug habit that he had to shake and they became very boring post 1977.
Prog is not all about serious studied college geek types reinventing classical music. It can be good fun. ELP were fun and at their best were probably the best live band in the world (1974 especially). The 'fun songs' you refer to were just shorter tracks. They could never be that serious all the time. For someone who seems very forgiving of many bands little quirks and personality traites you are actually very hard on ELP's.It was all part of what they were. Yin and yang and all that.


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

No it isn't a game. It's a band making music. Some may like it some may not. It was never a game.
 
I would like to suggest that you are mis-reading the wording.
 
I always thought that ELP was very good ... no question there ... but with the fun songs and what not -- with which they got a lot more radio attention, than otherwise ... it took a certain amount of the beauty and the seriousness of the work ... at the end of the day ... it was all just a fun radio song and who cares about serious stuff or better music ...
 
The "violence" and the way I used the words was relative to their ... out front ... style, which is ok ... and even the lyrics, which are often quite strong ... "don't tell me lies!" (punch, punch,accent -- how much more affirmative can that be? in music? )  ... kinda of thing ... it was not meant as the typical hollywood screamer 3 or 4 or 39 that everyone thinks is so cool. There is a place in music for that expression as there is in art and such ... and I would never suggest otherwise ... and you should know/understand that about me by now!
 
For me, music is life. Life is music ... so "a band making music" ... has no meaning whatsoever, btw ... it's all an art form related to our expressions ... and I do not think that music, is any different than anything else. Your words and work and reviews is no different in totality for me, than a "band" making music! ... you are making music of the work you love!
 
Quite different way of seeing things than .... you are used to, I'm sure!

I disagree with the first paragraph and the rest I don't get.
 
I really haven't a scooby either, but what I take out of it is that for the forty or so minutes I'm listening to Seventh Sojourn... I am Mike Pinder. Big smile
 
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^Funnily Seventh Sojurn is my least favourite of the Moodies albums up to their forst break up. (not including the debut) I(t alweays eemed more of a normal rock album to me rather than anything extraordinary. Must give it another spin.
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Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

 

Sorry but can't see the connection between the Moodies and King Crimson other than both bands feature Mellotron. Did Fripp ever claim that the Moodies were a major influence on King Crimson's music?
 
 


Thanks for posting that interview. Thumbs Up

To me, the Moody Blues influence was obvious when I first heard In the Court. It was actually the reason why I liked it so much.
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Originally posted by Steven Brodziak Steven Brodziak wrote:

Originally posted by rematpac rematpac wrote:

ConfusedWe don't listen to ELP 40 years later because Emerson stabbed his organ with knives,or he spun around on a grand piano while playing from a death-defying distance at the top of a coliseum,we listen to it today for it's music only which has stood the test of time very well.Sure ELP knew that it would unfortunately take more than their serious music to make it to the top of the Rock heap,but on their 1977 tour they went bankrupt ,lost their own record company,Manticore,and everything trying to take a full hand-picked orchestra on the road with them for their music's sake.Very few bands have taken their music more seriously,Emerson composing a serious Piano Concerto,which included using a 12-tone tone row in part of the composition because he wanted his composition to be taken seriously by classical composers as well and atonal music was still the style for classical composers at the time and almost a prerequisite back then.
Originally posted by moshkito 
<DIV>Rick Wakeman put out an album (strictly piano) It is called Country Airs. I thought it was very nice, nothing fancy, just pretty piano. I personally asked Rick about this album, you know his reply? (refering to your Emerson going classical) I needed the money. (Yes, my brother and I had about a 20 minute 2 on 1 with Mr. Wakeman<img src=http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif height=17 width=17 border=0 alt=Smile title=Smile />Wakeman is just not the same as Emerson,other than they both had problems with alcohol for a time.Wakeman has put out about 100 solo cd's.But when you go to any cd shop,what do you find in the Wakeman section,maybe a Wakeman's greatest hits cd and his 1st 2 solo albums at most.Most all of those solo albums remained obscure and unknown and most have been out-of-print for a long time.Wakeman plays a much more pop style than Emerson,much of it he considered New Age,which Emerson won't touch.Every band or artist has a dominant creative period that usually lasts from 5 to 7 years where they put out their best work.Emerson's was a little longer starting with the Ars Longa album and ending with his Piano Concerto on Works vol.1(1968-1977) .On his 1977 Pirates Tour ,he took the orch. on the road with him stating that people should be able to hear the same music they hear on the album.The orch. was exclusively for the benefit of the music and paying their saleries is what bankrupted him,never to fully recover.He could have toured without the orch. and made a profit,but he was a musical idealist.Audiences got to hear works like Pictures at an Exhibition with a full orchestra making some of the music so full,rich,and emotional,it could put tingles up your spine witnessed by the recording of it on Works Live(1st released as the album ELP Live in 1979),a far cry from the 1st Pictures album recorded in 1970 using crude synthesizers that had just barely been invented.After Works vol.1,they could not afford to go back into the studio and record vol.2.There was no studio ,as they had lost everything from the financial debacle of the Pirates Tour and instead released an album using old already recorded reject tracks that weren't good enough to make it on any of their previous albums(Father Christmas the 1 exception).Then to further help pay for the debt. they had incurred,they made a contractual album with their former record company Atlantic,Love Beach,an album all 3 members confessed to hating.After disbanding Emerson went on to a successful career writing movie scores,the 1st being the movie track to Inferno and the 2nd being the highly sucessful movie Nighthawks among others.Then in 1992,Emerson decided to enlist the aid of his former band members on the movie soundtrack he was writing for,but instead they produced the comeback album Black Moon and a highly successful world tour followed.After this Emerson developed nerve damage in his right hand and has been unable to play up to his par since,but has yet continued a successful solo carreer and also periodically reunited with his former band and even recorded a triple cd set with The Nice.So you see ,Emerson and ELP are 1st rate phenominal musicians,not showy entertainers.</DIV>
<DIV> moshkito
Rick Wakeman put out an album (strictly piano) It is called Country Airs. I thought it was very nice, nothing fancy, just pretty piano. I personally asked Rick about this album, you know his reply? (refering to your Emerson going classical) I needed the money. (Yes, my brother and I had about a 20 minute 2 on 1 with Mr. WakemanSmileWakeman is just not the same as Emerson,other than they both had problems with alcohol for a time.Wakeman has put out about 100 solo cd's.But when you go to any cd shop,what do you find in the Wakeman section,maybe a Wakeman's greatest hits cd and his 1st 2 solo albums at most.Most all of those solo albums remained obscure and unknown and most have been out-of-print for a long time.Wakeman plays a much more pop style than Emerson,much of it he considered New Age,which Emerson won't touch.Every band or artist has a dominant creative period that usually lasts from 5 to 7 years where they put out their best work.Emerson's was a little longer starting with the Ars Longa album and ending with his Piano Concerto on Works vol.1(1968-1977) .On his 1977 Pirates Tour ,he took the orch. on the road with him stating that people should be able to hear the same music they hear on the album.The orch. was exclusively for the benefit of the music and paying their saleries is what bankrupted him,never to fully recover.He could have toured without the orch. and made a profit,but he was a musical idealist.Audiences got to hear works like Pictures at an Exhibition with a full orchestra making some of the music so full,rich,and emotional,it could put tingles up your spine witnessed by the recording of it on Works Live(1st released as the album ELP Live in 1979),a far cry from the 1st Pictures album recorded in 1970 using crude synthesizers that had just barely been invented.After Works vol.1,they could not afford to go back into the studio and record vol.2.There was no studio ,as they had lost everything from the financial debacle of the Pirates Tour and instead released an album using old already recorded reject tracks that weren't good enough to make it on any of their previous albums(Father Christmas the 1 exception).Then to further help pay for the debt. they had incurred,they made a contractual album with their former record company Atlantic,Love Beach,an album all 3 members confessed to hating.After disbanding Emerson went on to a successful career writing movie scores,the 1st being the movie track to Inferno and the 2nd being the highly sucessful movie Nighthawks among others.Then in 1992,Emerson decided to enlist the aid of his former band members on the movie soundtrack he was writing for,but instead they produced the comeback album Black Moon and a highly successful world tour followed.After this Emerson developed nerve damage in his right hand and has been unable to play up to his par since,but has yet continued a successful solo carreer and also periodically reunited with his former band and even recorded a triple cd set with The Nice.So you see ,Emerson and ELP are 1st rate phenominal musicians,not showy entertainers.
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Hi,
 
It's not a hard choice.
 
Moody Blues ... because ELP, by the time they hit the road, already were representing a part of the rock music world that became ugly, and was about the excesses and the abuses, rather than the music itself.
 
Granted, it was the time for abuses, excesses, drugs and what not ... but I'm not sure that it was necessary all around, and while a few of the pieces by ELP are very nice and meaningful, in the end, with the exception of a piece or two in each album, some of the stuff was not as enjoyable or as good for me. And in this sense, I thought that the Moody Blues were a bit more serious about their music and work, albeit I would agree that they tried to get "poetically cute" to get more attention ... but their first album is, in many ways, a much more important listen when it comes to the histroy of rock music ... because it really showed that young folks that played rock music could do some very nice and important things that were far more than just a radio song!
 
ELP, and I like and have the first several albums, is very nice ... and the "violence" they tend to do some things is very clear and a valid point and attitude in music and its expression ... however, after one kill ... it's a game?
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