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TODDLER
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Topic: What if Genesis broke up in 1977?Posted: July 11 2012 at 17:26 |
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I have a lot of sympathy for Phil Collins. He openly admits his issues on film. I have mixed feelings about the 2 versions of Genesis. I don't find myself listening to the mainstream material, however it is not terribly awful in any sense of the word. "I Can't Dance" wasn't very appealing to me, but "Home By the Sea" and several others were not cheesy sell out songs either. Phil Collins and Michael Rutherford openly admit on the VHS Genesis documantary that they couldn't wait until those progressive days were over. But then Phil on the other hand says "If I hear people putting down our early progressive music, then I get angry and suddenly find myself defending it. He went overboard with his session work , for progressive rock artists in the 70's. Not just Brand X , but David Greenslade, Andrew LLoyd Webber's "Variations", Argent's "Counterpoints" and many more. Mostly underground prog. He was all over the map like Bruford was after the fold of King Crimson. I think since he was so devoted to prog, that his frustrations bounce all over the place and he has always been between a rock and a hard place. He defends the so called Genesis "Pop songs" and he defends himself when he is attacked by proggers who claim that he is a sell out. He will then make shrude comments, putting down the prog scene back then, BUT...when the punks said Pink Floyd were boring old farts, Phil agreed but also thought it was unjust that Genesis' name were mentioned in the same breath. Then he would openly admit that the early Genesis had something special to offer which in his book, differed from the rest of the prog world. I think he has a love for "Motown" , but also deep in his heart has respect and love for his work in the underground prog world. For example ...his vocals on Anthony Phillips "Geese and the Ghost" and so many other prog recordings where he played drums. I would hate to be him because it would be a nightmare of a reality constantly defending yourself on either end of the spectrum. I feel bad for the guy. He is an amazing talent.
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Posted: July 13 2012 at 01:59 |
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In case it's not obvious, I'm a Hackett fan. The quality of the music sunk when he left. Everything to me after that other than Dukes Travelsis unlistenable. I also absolutely despise Robbery Assault & Battery from 1976 too as a harbinger of what was to come. But like many others, I discovered them properly through Abacab (not actually my first introduction to them, but in second grade I was too young to appreciate the dark mood of the Lamb) and then worked backwards. What I felt after discovering their old stuff is an enormous sense of loss, that there was once a golden age, and I was now in the dark ages, the eighties. To answer the question of this thread, I would say that the conspicuousness of Genesis' role in the dark ages makes their role in the golden age all the more precious.
To answer the question another way, would we still have had all the Genesis tribute bands? The number of tribute bands is absolutely staggering. Someone is welcome to prove me wrong, but I'd be surprised if any other Prog bands sported any where near as many. The tribute bands generally mostly play just the older progressive stuff, but the tribute bands also didn't started in full force until we were in the midst of the Dark Ages (Abacab or later). I think the respect for the older stuff among Prog fans would have still been there if they broke up after 1977, but there would have been fewer Prog fans and the depth of their veneration as demonstrated by the tribute bands may not have been as intense. A painful irony really. |
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Posted: July 13 2012 at 02:03 |
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BTW Toddler, I like your Avatar. What are wearing tomorrow? I'm wearing suspenders.
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Posted: July 13 2012 at 03:23 |
Male - i'm getting the image of Franken-furter from Rocky horror show.... Female - i'm getting Dita Van Teese....
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Posted: July 13 2012 at 20:36 |
I become naked since there is a dirtbag redneck flesh worm using my password and e-mail to post various things around the internet on websites of every kind imaginable. I wonder why that would be? I hope they die a thousand deaths chopped in to little pieces.
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Posted: July 14 2012 at 04:09 |
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They might not be as well known in prog circles today, but probably more respected. Some people I know absolutely refuse to try any PG/four man Genesis albums because they dislike their 80s output. I do as well, barring the self titled, but I was fortunately introduced through SEBTP so I have remained largely indifferent to their post Hackett work.
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