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    Posted: May 22 2011 at 12:36
I seem to get the impression that bands that have connections to industrial are considered not very Prog or are looked down upon? I don't know but thats the way it seems almost.
 
Anyway, I have to point out that there are some bands in the archives that have definetely been influenced by Throbbing Gristle(Nine Inch Nails) and in the Prog Electronic definition it mentions post industrial and TG certaintly had a major influence on that.
 From wikipedia-"Throbbing Gristle's confrontational live performances and use of often disturbing imagery, including pornography and photographs of Nazi concentration camps, gave the group a notorious reputation. However the group always maintained that their mission was to challenge and explore the darker and obsessive sides of the human condition rather than to make attractive music. Throbbing Gristle pioneered the use of pre-recorded tape-based 'samples'[1] , and made extensive use of special effects to produce a distinctive, highly distorted background, usually accompanied by lyrics or spoken-word performances by Cosey Fanni Tutti or Genesis P-Orridge. Though they asserted they wanted to provoke their audience into thinking for themselves rather than pushing any specific agenda (as evidenced by the song "Don't Do As You're Told, Do As You Think" on Heathen Earth),"
 
 
 
 
and a interview
 
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Points: 14256 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 08:40
Hmmmm, not high on  my list. Too vile and crass. Not virtuoso, a bit experimental, Industrial cyber punk. Not very prog like at all.
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Points: 19569 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 09:20
Well TG has certainly an industrial facet, but I wouldn't consider it the only one quality of theirs...  least of all that they were  groundbreaking in their early days.
 
I wouldn't have a problem finding it in the PA db in experimental or math rock if that team were to accept it there
 
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 09:50
I'm sure I suggested them before and was told.....no!
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 10:11
The mention in the Electronic Prog definition is of industrial influences on electronic prog music, but not to stuff like TG themselves. 
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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 12:30
Just to clarify I am suggesting them for Prog-Related. I would say that there are some bands in the electronic prog music(as well has NIN)that have been influenced by TG. I would say that Maurizio Bianchi has been influenced to an extent by TG.
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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 12:33
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Hmmmm, not high on  my list. Too vile and crass. Not virtuoso, a bit experimental, Industrial cyber punk. Not very prog like at all.
 
cyber punk? No I would argue that(like they said in the interview) that they pretty much started the industrial genre. They also aren't pure industrial music.


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Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

Just to clarify I am suggesting them for Prog-Related. I would say that there are some bands in the electronic prog music(as well has NIN)that have been influenced by TG. I would say that Maurizio Bianchi has been influenced to an extent by TG.


That makes sense, thanks.
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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 12:35
Okay.
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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 14:33
Any Collabs willing to take this up?
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Points: 11415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 15:31
From memory I think so-called industrial music was named after the record label that Throbbing Gristle's releases appeared on? Although I think TG (and Psychic TV) very influential on the darker spectrum of rock music in general, I can't really detect any direct influence on fully fledged Prog artists.


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Points: 3196 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:01
Not 'prog', but forward thinking and experimental for sure.
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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:35
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

From memory I think so-called industrial music was named after the record label that Throbbing Gristle's releases appeared on? Although I think TG (and Psychic TV) very influential on the darker spectrum of rock music in general, I can't really detect any direct influence on fully fledged Prog artists.
 
Nine Inch Nails, and while it is not a big influence on the well known genres of Prog it had a influence on Prog Electronic for sure.
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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2011 at 17:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AOc0VL7L7I&feature=related
 
I seriously think they need to be on here ( if you could not tell already ).


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Points: 4659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 12:57
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

Just to clarify I am suggesting them for Prog-Related. I would say that there are some bands in the electronic prog music(as well has NIN)that have been influenced by TG. I would say that Maurizio Bianchi has been influenced to an extent by TG.


That makes sense, thanks.
 
Wow, I need to spend more time trolling the band listings.  I've been a member here for six years and a collab for more than five and I guess I always assumed Throbbing Gristle were already listed here.  This is a serious oversight IMHO. 
 
Prog-related is probably the right place for them if not RIO/Avant.  If nothing else they've certainly influenced a whole host of post-rock and neo-folk bands since their inception/demise.
 
 
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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2011 at 14:13
Finally. Someone that views them in the same light. tehe.
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2011 at 18:05
They've been added to Progressive Electronic:

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6504

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Points: 785 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2011 at 20:11
Never could get into TG, preferring their contemporaries Cabaret Voltaire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l36EnbWiUFs&feature=related


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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2011 at 20:32
I love TG, particularly their first album, but they are by no strecth of the imagination prog.
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