Was Benoit David the best Yes could do? |
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thehallway
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 16:10 |
Despite living some 10 miles away from Fripp (well, not since he moved).... my only contact with him has been through the internet; he had a go at me for insulting him on this very site actually! I have relatives who supposedly dated Greg Lake, who went to my school......... King Crimson members really are Dorset's only connection to the world of Prog. Anyway back on topic........ Fragile are a truly excellent group and yes, they have worked with Howe and White haven't they? So Yes must have at least considered them. |
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cstack3
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 15:49 |
Excellent, thank you! I agree, the proof will be in the new CD. However, I think Yes really has only one shot at keeping fans they alienated with their treatment of Anderson (i.e. me), so it better be a blazingly good CD! And I have to wonder, who is writing the lyrics? The track titles don't inspire confidence thus far. Dorset, eh? I used to live & work in Devon, just outside of Exeter....my work associate, Mr. Crawley, did my dirty work and found Bob and Toyah Fripp's home phone number in Wimbourne! I left a message, they never called me back!! (I'd met with RF several times, he probably thought I was a stalker or bill collector). Here's a nice taste of Steve Carney with Fragile! Love these guys, we've been friends for 10 years. Considering all the joint appearances they've done with members of Yes, I'm surprised they weren't approached (unless they were, and Steve turned them down). Edited by cstack3 - May 23 2011 at 15:50 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 15:26 |
Begs the question could Genesis have done better than Ray Wilson??
I have been on the fence with buying tickets for the Yes/Styx show myself, for this reason. And also no Dennis DeYoung.......Only reason I would go is for the venue which is at a winery on the Columbia River....absolutely amazing venue.....and the wine is good too!
I probably will not go..but still on the fence. I have to say the only group comes to mind recently that did an amazing job at finding a replacement lead vocalist was Journey, that Filipino guy is amazing!! If you close your eyes.....its Steve Perry.
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thehallway
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 15:19 |
I agree that Steve Carney is amazing, a great "Jon" but also has a soul of his own.......... I'm not familiar with any other Yes mimics though. Maybe we should wait 'til the new album before we judge Benoit........ he may be inferior to Jon but there can be no comparison on the new songs; they will belong to him, vocally. |
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ghost_of_morphy
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 15:04 |
Benoit does an excellent job for what he is supposed to do, which is mimic JA.
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cstack3
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 6748 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:14 |
Thank you! I would have agreed with retiring the band gracefully with the decision of Jon Anderson to forego the brutal touring that Yes undergoes. All of those gents are getting up there, it must be a grind. The decision to drag this out rather mystifies me.....was it the need for cash? Squire's side projects never work out (Conspiracy with Billy Sherwood for one), and Howe already has a good side-gig with Asia if he wants. Granted, the musicality of the band remains at a high level, although many have pointed out that the tempo of the music suffers due to age (presumably) of the artists. I avoid the present Yes since I have such wonderful memories of the 35th Anniversary tour, when they sold out the largest venue in Chicago (Allstate Arena) and put on one of the best performances I'd ever seen! They hammed it up with a honky-tonk version of "Roundabout," the laughs were frequent and genuine, and the band truly seemed to appreciate one another. We'll see what "Fly From Here" is like, meanwhile I'm enjoying the Youtube footage of Jon Anderson's acoustic tour! Looking forward to that show in August. Notice how Jon drops a hint about the possibility of a future "Olias" performance? |
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lazland
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13249 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 11:57 |
You were right to open a discussion, and you are right about Benoit David - yes, they could have done a lot better, or, more to the point, they could have retired the great group gracefully and left us with some remarkable memories.
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cstack3
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 11:38 |
That's hilarious! I'm not that familiar with Glass Hammer, and the guy has some pipes from the "Roundabout" bit posted on YouTube, but strong contra-tenors can be obnoxious! Terry Lutrell from Starcastle was like that (I knew the guy). Are you familiar with the trib "Fragile" in the UK? They do a very nice treatment of Yes' catalog including "Tales"! Very nice chaps. I think this is a very valid discussion to continue, since (a) it is controversial within the family of Yes fans and prog community, (b) the financial future of Yes and, perhaps, prog in general may hinge on the decision to part ways with a wildly popular vocalist for a gamble on an unknown, and (c) there is a plethora of talent available who could have been chosen. For a forum that posts arcane competitions such as "ELP or Yes?" I think this is worth discussing at a high level. When Yes gambled with the "Drama" lineup, I don't think that worked out well for them, commercially. This is an interesting process to watch unfold.
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26161 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 11:24 |
I wish Yes would take Jon Davison. Might make Glass Hammer listenable again.
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rushfan4
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 11:14 |
This was my review of their show from a couple of years ago, when they were sort of touring as In The Present instead of as Yes. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53661&KW=Yes&PID=3052978#3052978 I see that was during my phase of mistyping TFTO as TOTO.
I've not decided yet whether or not I am going to see them play with the Dennis DeYoung-less Styx yet or not.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 11:12 |
Why are people still posting when the discussion is over?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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cstack3
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 11:06 |
Benoit David is correct, NOT David Benoit! I admit, it's confusing. Discussion over? Hah!! I take no pleasure in watching one of the most influential bands in prog history deteriorating in this manner. Where Yes used to play the largest venues, now they are booking gigs at casinos. The tour with Styx (and, weirdly, a band called "Toy") gives them as much credibility as a reunion of REO Speedwagon. So '70s. I see no reason why they could not have jumped off into a much more progressive direction, rather than doing a "Yes-mania" cover band thing. Thanks for suggesting some excellent vocalists, I also thought that a woman would have been very progressive. Annie Haslam's version of "Turn of the Century" is stunning, and the band Magenta does a very nice treatment of "Wondrous Stories". Of course, Squire would try to couple with a singer as gorgeous as Christina Booth!! All things considered, I can think of at least a dozen other vocalists I'd rather pay money to see play with Yes than Benoit David. The upcoming CD should be interesting....perhaps I will eat my words, but I bet not. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 10:01 |
His name is Benoit. Discussion over.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Roland113
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 08:43 |
Personally, I prefer David Benoit.
I'm just sayin' |
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Icarium
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Posted: May 23 2011 at 06:54 |
Roger Hodgson was asked once
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rdtprog
Special Collaborator Heavy, RPI, Symph, JR/F Canterbury Teams Joined: April 04 2009 Location: Mtl, QC Status: Offline Points: 5132 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 06:47 |
Sean Filkins would have been a good replacement. But on the other hand, i don't think he would have made is first brillant solo album. I am ok with Benoit David, maybe it's not the perfect voice and personnality, but i pay more attention to the music, so it's not a big factor for me, and i don't think his singing ruin the music.
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Anthony H.
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 11 2010 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 6088 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 06:40 |
Considering that The Flower Kings are on hiatus, Hasse Froberg would have been perfect.
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32482 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 06:33 |
They should have recruited James LaBrie.
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American Khatru
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 28 2009 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 732 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 06:11 |
(A bit o/t...) It is weird to me I have to say. I remember thinking - when I was a kid in the seventies and into all this stuff (a little kid, so we're talking albums and not concerts) - I remember almost the day (I know it was summer recess) that the shocking thought occurred to me that these musicians whose music I loved, the people in the photos, were all going to age, like I surely would, and be old men one day. Sure, I know, it's obvious, but it hit me like a ton of bricks that day. I tried in mind mind to picture an agéd Robert Plant, an agéd Ian or Jon Anderson (okay, well, picturing IA old was never all that difficult ). And I wondered what they would be doing with themselves, as I assumed, after music. I don't say this judgmentally, but the one thing I didn't picture was that they would still be out there playing; much less did I picture that if some people dropped out, for reasons from differences to getting that "gig in the sky", they would be replaced by young musicians and the band play on. I did not imagine this! I confess that, to my younger mind, the idea would have presented itself only as a nightmare. I can defend it as good just based on the fact that the music was and is indeed great. Compositions used to sustain themselves one way in past eras (say the European aristocratic times with classical music patronage and virtuosi); maybe this is the way classic rock (whether of prog stripe or some other) sustains itself into the future. Picture, for instance, 'Yes' without a single original member in 10 or so years. The thing may become: how to determine how an act is "official." If that's to work at all and continue, the musicians must be superlative, otherwise interest will wane. |
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cstack3
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 6748 |
Posted: May 23 2011 at 02:29 |
Really? I'd be embarrassed to share a stage with the guy, based on this clip! It's footage like this that has kept me well-clear of Benoit David/Yes. His voice is sort-of reminiscent of Anderson. However, he pales compared to guys like Steve Carney from UK's Fragile and others I've met. I thought Davison's pitch was right on the money. Considering the grace & elegance that JA always brought to the stage, I'd have a hard time coughing up their asking price for tickets. I agree with American Khatru, Yes' music needs extraordinary talent at all levels, not just "good enough." Where Yes used to book the largest venues in Chicago, now they are playing bars and casinos. I'm not sure this was a smart move by Squire. Edited by cstack3 - May 23 2011 at 02:30 |
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