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    Posted: May 24 2011 at 13:19
I am suggesting this for Prog-Related. I think most everyone knows his works got Frank Zappa into music and he was a enormous influence on the Avante-Garde genre.
 
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Points: 10837 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 14:30
He wasn't a rock musician.
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Points: 28772 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 14:56
If we started including classical composers in Prog-Related, they would overtake the site.  As Picard said, they aren't eligible, since this site is prog rock (plus prog electronic).
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Points: 32609 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 15:19
Varese has been involved with pioneering work in electronic music, which is what I can closest see him being suitable for PA with.



One day i would like to see the likes of Stockhausen, Xenakis, Ligeti and other academic - experimental music composers in PA, but I do think we would need a new category.

EDIT: Maybe it is time for a new ProgressiveMusicArchives site that does not need to limit itself so much to rock and rock-related music.






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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 20:20
Ahhhh. okay i was about to suggest John Cage, Karlheinz Stockhausen and a few others.
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Points: 32609 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 20:28
I have wanted such composers at PA as well since the are related due to influence, and have tried to argue about the necessity of a rock quotient since we have acts at PA already that are not rock, but.... At least we can discuss them in General Music Discussions.
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Points: 2854 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2011 at 20:32
Yeah, and i just noticed that thread about reviewing albums that aren't on PA so when i do eventually start reviewing i can review some things on that thread.
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I'm gonna bump this for obvious reasons, Varese is a f**king awesome composer who is highly important and his works are highly engaging Heart

Plus if you've never heard him, you can hear his complete works in under three hours Wink
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Yeah Varese rules..................Cool
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Been a fan of his work for years, his music never gets old. 

There doesn't seem to be much discussion about classical music here for some suspicious reason Shocked
Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Yeah, him and many others contemporany composers was highly important in the development of electronic music and in progressive music too, see Stockhausen influence in Krautrock, and please, this argument that isn't rock is idiot, the big part of music in this site isn't rock anymore, see Canaxis by Holger Czukay, Demetrio Stratos albums, hell, even A Kind of Blue isn't Fusion, is simply Modal Jazz and it's in Progarchives...
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Points: 14717 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 20 2017 at 21:28
I don't think you understand the limitations of the progressive electronic category. I didn't for the longest time. Since i'm on the PSIKE team i'd have to say NO! But that doesn't mean i don't agree that Varese wasn't a talented avant-garde talent of his time. Not every brilliant artist has to be here to be validated BTW. Thanks for the suggestion but i don't think he has a chance here to be honest but i may be wrong

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Limitations are very important, they preserve identity and specificity.   Without them you basically have everything, which is the same as nothing.
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Limitations are boring......................
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.

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Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Been a fan of his work for years, his music never gets old. 

There doesn't seem to be much discussion about classical music here for some suspicious reason Shocked
For a Rock site there is enough, (far more than the amount of Rock music discussion that you'll find on a Classical Music site), you just need to search for it.
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TC or GMG is a good start
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Points: 1409 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2017 at 02:09
Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

TC or GMG is a good start

Lol, that's where I met you LOL

But TC is Censored
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Points: 23098 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2017 at 05:29
Being on PA is a very circular experienceLOL

Varese is progressive! Sun Ra is progressive!! The Fall is progressive!!! Mozart is progressive!!!!
Well yes....so is the Wu-Tang Clan and Bob Dylan.
But are the above mentioned prog rock or in any way linked to this masterful and much lauded style of music? Nahh, not really.
Progressive music doesn't exist in a vacuum ie the music one holds dear. It also exists outside one's tastes, which effectively means that we can't have a progressive music site without opening up the floodgates to styles such as hip hop, trance, polka, pop, classical, klezmer and gypsy music. Again, such a site would be very interesting to these ears....but it sure is a far cry from PA and it's original function.
Thing is, we get a few connoisseurs each year chiming in on PA's supposedly lacking scope in that it needs to focus more on the past and what lead to the start of prog rock...or other folks commenting on the wide variety of progressive bands popping up amongst the post-punk/new wave acts. These people though tend to frown their noses at the inclusion of any hip hop related artists or similarly experimental disco ones. 

Bottom line? PA is and has always been a potential dumping ground for music we love...and we just love throwing the 'progressive' sticker on music we dig....we just tend to forget that progressive music doesn't equate prog rock.
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