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    Posted: May 27 2011 at 08:35
Cardiacs are one of the most progressive and interesting bands of all time, and therefore it wouldn't be a surprise if Cardiacs had a few side projects that were worthy of participating in the archives, well they do!

Mr. and Mrs. Smith and Mr. Drake/ The Sea Nymphs: the group consists of three Cardiacs members (two of them being former Cardiacs members)- Tim Smith, Sarah Smith, William D. Drake. They started out in the 80s and recorded a rather beautiful eponymous (Mr. and Mrs. Smith and Mr. Drake) album on an 8 track. Later around '93 after Mrs. Smith and Mr. Drake left Cardiacs, the three reformed under the Sea Nymphs, and recorded a bunch of tracks with better audio quality than the one made in the 80s, which some of them were eventually shoved into an album. While both albums focus on quieter more pastoral avant sounding folky passages that are definitely easier to listen to if you can't stand the punk noise of Cardiacs (i.e. me dad, who can't really stand Cardiacs but loves the Sea Nymphs), the albums recorded in the 80s does sound quite different than the 90s album. Both should probably be in RIO/Avant-prog.

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Unfortunately stuff for Mr. & Mrs.... is rather scarce on the Tube so this'll do.
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Hm. I don't hear much RIO or Avant stuff, but they have resemblances to bands such as Phideaux, so they may be able to pass for Xover, but if that doesn't happen I'm sure they'd be a fine candidate to be included as Prog Related.
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I'm pretty familiar with the album (Sea Nymphs), I'd say either psych or crossover as well.  I'm trying to hear some of the Mr and Mrs Smith and Mr Drake album, but unless it's unbelievably different in style, I feel like I'll stand by my opinion of the music.  Smashing stuff, though, Lilly White's Party in particular is an incredibly beautiful song. 
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I agree they can fit into Crossover definitely. The line between Crossover and RIO can at times be rather hard to see, and sometimes isn't really there, in the end it's just progressive. Sea Nymphs case though I do feel there's a certain avant feeling in the melodies which are rather abstract, though definitely in a pretty and folky way. In the end it doesn't really matter as long as their in the Archives.

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To Saltyjon and to anyone it might concern, if you have a friend in Britain you can order Mr. & Mrs. Smith & Mr. Drake's album through All My Eye And Betty Martin, Tim Smith's record label. Unfortunately is has yet made it possible for international shipping, but if you're lucky enough to have a friend in the UK, you can order it through the label's website.

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Originally posted by frippism

To Saltyjon and to anyone it might concern, if you have a friend in Britain you can order Mr. & Mrs. Smith & Mr. Drake's album through All My Eye And Betty Martin, Tim Smith's record label. Unfortunately is has yet made it possible for international shipping, but if you're lucky enough to have a friend in the UK, you can order it through the label's website.


Slightly OT, but Is All My Eye still up and running then? I always kinda assumed that because the main ABC shop has been closed due to Tim's health problems then AME's activities would also have been put on hold.

As for the suggestion, maybe Prog-Folk is also worth considering, as to my ears The Sea Nymphs were basically a psychedelic folk outfit. My main reservation would be the distinct lack of rock in their music. They were progressive, definitely, but were they really progressive rock?

Personally I'd sooner see Spratley's Japs added in some capacity to the site.
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^ Prog Folk is definitely a possibility. AME was working a couple of months ago, at least when I bought the CD. 
And I also posted a thread on Spratley's Japs which should be somewhere on the first page. They are much more rock than Sea Nymphs for sure.
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Originally posted by frippism

AME was working a couple of months ago, at least when I bought the CD.


Splendid news! Here's hoping they're still in business by the time I have a job and/or some money.
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I really hope AME stays in business, does seem a bit weird though I do agree. I do wonder if someone might have taken charge of it while Tim's ill, because a few bands are in the label I guess someone must picked up where Tim left off. The label has a few great bands which would be a shame if they wouldn't stay on the label.

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Interesting, gotta listen more, but I can see them for Crossover.
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Wonderful, thanks! If you need any help with a biography or with the album info just let me know.
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Originally posted by frippism

Wonderful, thanks! If you need any help with a biography or with the album info just let me know.
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No problem! In the Sea Nymphs page will also Mr. & Mrs. Smith & Drake be included, or will there be a separate page?
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No problem! In the Sea Nymphs page will also Mr. & Mrs. Smith & Drake be included, or will there be a separate page?


Personally, I think it would make far more sense to include M&MS&MD on the Sea Nymphs page and try to make the distinction clear in the biography. For all intents and purposes it's the same project - same line-up, same sound (more or less).
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Originally posted by frippism

No problem! In the Sea Nymphs page will also Mr. & Mrs. Smith & Drake be included, or will there be a separate page?


Personally, I think it would make far more sense to include M&MS&MD on the Sea Nymphs page and try to make the distinction clear in the biography. For all intents and purposes it's the same project - same line-up, same sound (more or less).
I think the album should be included in the Sea Nymphs page, such is the " Inclusion" work.
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