Queensryche vs. Pain of Salvation

meh vs meh

Apart from Operation Mindcrime, I didn't really get much into Queensryche. They don't sound particularly prog to me (not that I don't listen to other forms of music besides prog). 

double post, sorry


Edited by Progmind - June 04 2011 at 21:28

iluvmarillion wrote: Never really found Queensryche particularly progressive so PoS is the obvious choice for me.

Mixed views on both bands. QR blended Rush with Iron Maiden to make the prototype of prog metal as we know it but barring some songs like Sister Suite Mary, I don't find their music all that interesting or that much of a departure even from heavy metal.  I have often heard them described as "thinking man's metal" but in all honesty, Sabbath's daring musical adventures on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath make me think a lot more than either of these bands. The Rush-like precision doesn't really disguise the prominent Maiden influence in their music. AND Iron Maiden themselves have some Rush influences so QR is more like a logical next step than a radical departure for me, but with the over conscious, calculated delivery that for some reason is so sought after in prog metal. 

Coming to PoS, though, they do a lot of things right and in spite of that I did not like their last two albums, they remain one of the most promising prog metal outfits.  What I don't like so much about PoS is how much they favour abrupt transitions.  I don't mind abrupt transitions as a surprise element and especially if it makes sense taken in context of the further development of the music. But for PoS it is almost a staple, especially on Entropia and Concrete Lake albums.  This problem is more or less overcome on Perfect Element I and it is also quite an emotional album and for that album alone, they comfortably get my vote over Queensryche.  TPE is in many ways the kind of prog metal I really dig and would like to hear more of but unfortunately there's not a whole lot of it that at least I have heard of.  

Purple_Floyd wrote: Alitare wrote: Purple_Floyd wrote: Alitare wrote: Finally, both groups returned to their influences for guidance in treading the future (Road Salt One/Take Cover).    Road Salt One is nowhere near a return to roots; I see nothing in common between it and Entropia. Entropia is a nice metal-opera concept album, if a thad too heavy for my taste, while RSO is completly new, simple, lacking of any depth and awful style, which I believe is a shame considering their 3 masterpieces (TPE, Remedy Lane and "BE") they released before.   I don't know much about QR. I like Mindcrime I & II, but it's not in my a favorite.   POS for sure. By 'roots' I meant 'influences'. Take Cover has nothing to do with Rage for Order. It has to do with what influenced them. Christ, this wasn't meant to be taken like a f**kin' master's degree thesis, ya tightass b*****ds. I never said there weren't differences. It's just like half this community to hear someone say 'a cat got run over' and reply: 'No, I disagree, it committed suicide, you foolish nincompoop'.    Yeah, sorry, I misinterpreted what you said. I just wanted to express my hate for this album but just sounded rude in doing so.

Purple_Floyd wrote: Alitare wrote: Finally, both groups returned to their influences for guidance in treading the future (Road Salt One/Take Cover).    Road Salt One is nowhere near a return to roots; I see nothing in common between it and Entropia. Entropia is a nice metal-opera concept album, if a thad too heavy for my taste, while RSO is completly new, simple, lacking of any depth and awful style, which I believe is a shame considering their 3 masterpieces (TPE, Remedy Lane and "BE") they released before.   I don't know much about QR. I like Mindcrime I & II, but it's not in my a favorite.   POS for sure.

Edited by Alitare - June 03 2011 at 11:50

Pain of Salvation 

PoS by a hundred thousand miles. And personally I don't think they "dropped the ball" on Scarsick at all. Love that album 

You have to remember, there was no prog metal when Queensryche came up. It was Maiden and Priest and the EP was actually very very good in the crowd of NWOBHM imitators. Warning and Rage for Order are very good albums, and "proggier" than any of their kin.