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    Posted: March 23 2013 at 14:29
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I think the database folks couldn't give a flying duck about anything but  the music. We're not an encyclopedia.
 
Case closed ... I already knew your answer, but you, too, have some wonderful stories and experiences ... btw! You would make a better book than some of these gobos! At least your London would be thorough!
Meh, probably not. Just finish your book Pedro so we can read it before we shrug off this mortal coil.
 
You know ... at 62 ... it is not getting any easier and I am still working 40 hours weekly in front of the computer with my eyes not getting any better!
 
I really would like to do more and finish the book on progressive stuff, but it is so frustrating ... not be able to concentrate enough to get a good flow going and in many ways, you just have no idea, how important Prog Archives is for me, in helping me stay focused and work the writing in there.
 
I've also decided to do a section called "peripherals", where some oddball individualists, can be mentioned. It's strange and weird for me, that we can consider Peter Hammill, the balladeer and introverted poet, progressive, and then I find the same thing in Neil Young, done the American way ... I kow that you might think that this is bizarre, stupid and silly, but the individualistic spirit, to them, is more important than anything else ... and the time the place, the song ... have its own life because they have a 3rd dimention to live with ... which most "pop" music does not have and tries to replace it with a "meaningful lyric" (or worse ... progressive lyric!) ... !!! You can not replace the "real" with an "ideal" in the arts ... people can see and "know" the real ... the "ideal" comes and goes, and women (and men) think of Michelangelo! As such, the parallel is actually very good, and his lack of fear playing with the scrungers, is gutsy and shows how creative and unafraid an artist he is! He is NOT, however, someone that I listen to regularly, every day kind of thing like I do so many others, mainly because his voice is all over the radio here ... but you have to admire someone that is not stuck in the past, playing the same old song, and not doing new things! Even PH is more repetitive these days, than Neil is!
 
But my book will have a list of theater writers, film makers, literature, that will go as far back as 1930's ... kinda starting out with the surrealists Luis Bunuel and Salvador Dali ... the original "progressive folks, along with Stravinsky ... and that covers the most important of arts in the 20th century ... other than the wars, nothing stood out as strong as film, music and visual arts! What we call "progressive music" is the logical extension of the same thing in rock music, jazz music and pop music!


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I think the database folks couldn't give a flying duck about anything but  the music. We're not an encyclopedia.
 
Case closed ... I already knew your answer, but you, too, have some wonderful stories and experiences ... btw! You would make a better book than some of these gobos! At least your London would be thorough!
Meh, probably not. Just finish your book Pedro so we can read it before we shrug off this mortal coil.


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I think the database folks couldn't give a flying duck about anything but  the music. We're not an encyclopedia.
 
Case closed ... I already knew your answer, but you, too, have some wonderful stories and experiences ... btw! You would make a better book than some of these gobos! At least your London would be thorough!
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I think the database folks couldn't give a flying duck about anything but  the music. We're not an encyclopedia.


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Originally posted by In Prog We Trust In Prog We Trust wrote:

Sorry, forgot one other mention.  I found Archie Patterson's book in kindle version from Amazon for $9.99.  They also list a paperback version but I have been going digital when I can.  Plug in Archie Patterson into search box and kindle version is in short list.  Hope this helps.
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If Archie includes his own story in LA selling imports and being a part of that whole area's thing, it would be one of the more massive, and important histories of progressive music in the West Coast ... I doubt that many folks would have as much information, stories and knowledge, than him. In those days, most of these were "imports" and Archie was a part of a record company bringing these in and distributing them, if I specified it correctly.
 
The other person is Guy Guden, but his star-shine is smelly and he is not interested in sharing it with anyone, because it doesn't fit/feed his star-ego. He is occasionally posting here as blubberfish or something like it, and his disguise is very thin ... but he won't talk about it, because it "lessens" his fame and story and work! Guy, however, did his greatest work in this area from Santa Barbara, though, and that was not quite the major areas, but some of the things that happened there, while Guy fought for a job, and not have to work in a liquor store to support the "import" addiction that we had.
 
Archie, however, always been quiet and ProgArchives is not capable of interviewing him about it ... though I really think that adding Archie's perspectives would be nice ... with one problem ... PA does not have a "historical" perspective area, despite my requests, to help define the word and its ideas and possibilities ... and that "historical" perspective is the problem with a "database" of something ... that is no longer possible to organize. Thus, Archie, like most anything I state and write here, will end up being ignored and not be valuable, when the content of it is much more important as a historical document -- than your or mine opinion ... with one difference ... the clarity of the perspective above it is non-existent.
 
I would like to see a "historical" perspective area, where we can discuss a lot of things in many places around the world ... but I think database folks are scared that it would deteriorate into a political mish-mash ... instead of a pizza and Doctor Pepper mish-mash!


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Sorry, forgot one other mention.  I found Archie Patterson's book in kindle version from Amazon for $9.99.  They also list a paperback version but I have been going digital when I can.  Plug in Archie Patterson into search box and kindle version is in short list.  Hope this helps.

It would be interesting so see what each person who has posted on this topic ranks as their top 5 favorite Krautrock groups.

My top 5
1. Tangerine Dream
2. Eloy
3. Gila
4. Wallenstein
5.  Novalis
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Thanks for tip on Philippe's book.  I found it for $8.99 on iBooks if you have iPad, etc from Apple.

The Cosmic Dreams by Asbjornsen is probably my favorite book.  I found it in a cool music shop, Ear Xstacy, in Louisville, KY.  I find his recommendations fairly spot on if you favor the symphonic or psychedelic sub genres.  This book is going to be tough to find at a reasonable price.  I wish this one would be put in CD-Rom version.

I will check out the Freeman CD-Rom, I have the book but sounds like a worthy addition to my library.

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

 
Er, no - I daren't repeat what he said about ELP, Yes and Pink Floyd on the inside coverOuch
 
That would be easy ... "it's pretentious crap" ... I can hear it now!
 
And the reason for it, is simpler still ... Lou Reed was already the GOD in New York, plus a few bands that sold a few more disks than a million ... according to Patti Smith, you could not even say anything bad about God because it meant your career was over. New York, regardless of what the situation is, is still ruled by mafias and bosses ... and many of these odd bands are just oddities passing by.
 
My understanding has always been that the old lords to ever take NY by storm was Led Zeppelin, and then it was because they had the better looking (and more expensive) leather and whips to subjugate the NY fans and audiences!  Wink
 
Paris and London, and even Tokyo have a lot more respect for the arts and the different things than NY does, or ever will have! In many ways, of all the major arts centers in the world, NY is not the number one. I would say London has been 1 for many years, with Paris close behind it. NY would probably rank behind, and under, SF and Los Angeles for that matter!
^That's interesting. Even the New York Philharmonic Orchestra, i have heard, is notorious for being hard to please and hard to deal with, if you are a conductor.
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Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

 
Er, no - I daren't repeat what he said about ELP, Yes and Pink Floyd on the inside coverOuch
 
That would be easy ... "it's pretentious crap" ... I can hear it now!
 
And the reason for it, is simpler still ... Lou Reed was already the GOD in New York, plus a few bands that sold a few more disks than a million ... according to Patti Smith, you could not even say anything bad about God because it meant your career was over. New York, regardless of what the situation is, is still ruled by mafias and bosses ... and many of these odd bands are just oddities passing by.
 
My understanding has always been that the old lords to ever take NY by storm was Led Zeppelin, and then it was because they had the better looking (and more expensive) leather and whips to subjugate the NY fans and audiences!  Wink
 
Paris and London, and even Tokyo have a lot more respect for the arts and the different things than NY does, or ever will have! In many ways, of all the major arts centers in the world, NY is not the number one. I would say London has been 1 for many years, with Paris close behind it. NY would probably rank behind, and under, SF and Los Angeles for that matter!


Edited by moshkito - May 24 2012 at 12:13
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ĻA book about Kosmiche turned to a true multimedia item? That's what I call "being on the subject"!
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you can now buy The Crack....as a cd-rom from the same site!!! i did, and it came with 2 free cds ov kraut!!! and the cd-rom is crazy overloaded with other stuff like mp3s and videos.
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           The crack in the cosmic eggis a reference book,   unfortunatly sold out to my knowledge.




              

Interesting link related:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ultimathule/krautrockers.html

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Here is a collection of reviews published by Soundprojector magazine. Free download of ebook:
http://www.thesoundprojector.com/downloads/krautrock-kompendium/

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^He isnīt even in the vicinity of Krautrock. He may have pre dated the whole Madchester sound with a couple of years - if not 10, and while his music contains certain psychedelic aspects and the odd experiments in sound - I think heīs much more of a straight up rock nī roller with a touch of punk over him.
If he got included in letīs say Krautrock - then weīd be opening the floodgates for a wide variety bands such as Blur - just because they made 13 and itīs experimental and includes those little toy keyboards.
I like Julian Cope, but I think heīd be the first to cut himself down as a bonafide Krautrocker. He certainly isnīt. 
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Is Julian Cope a prog artist?

if so he is not on the archives...

just wondering nothing more


Er, no - I daren't repeat what he said about ELP, Yes and Pink Floyd on the inside coverOuch
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by Neu!mann Neu!mann wrote:

If anyone's interested, here's a link to a free .pdf download of Julian Cope's Krautrocksampler:
 
 
It's hard to read in places (looks like it was scanned in a hurry), and one page is actually  missing, but it's still a great read. I wish Head Heritage would reissue it already..!
 
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Is Julian Cope a prog artist?

if so he is not on the archives...

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Don't know much about Julian Cope, but read a pretty good  review he did of krautrock band German Oak (not sure if it is part of his book?)
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Originally posted by Neu!mann Neu!mann wrote:

If anyone's interested, here's a link to a free .pdf download of Julian Cope's Krautrocksampler:
 
 
It's hard to read in places (looks like it was scanned in a hurry), and one page is actually  missing, but it's still a great read. I wish Head Heritage would reissue it already..!
 
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Originally posted by 2dogs 2dogs wrote:

It is a breach of copyright - you have to get permission from the copyright holder, not assume it and wait until they protest. On Mr. Cope's website he explained that he didn't want it reprinted as it would only spawn another load of students copying Neu! which was something he did not want on his conscienceSick
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Personally, I find Julian's fake-psycho-stoned-image wording and reviews rather boring.
 
I do appreciate his liking some of this stuff, but when you hear what he does, by GOD, I want my NEU back and NOW!
 
I think of him as someone trying to be hip and gathering fans to sell his own material. I'm ok with that on his own work, but trying to come off like the spokes-person for "krautrock" is something that he is not, unless he was there during the time and was also getting stoned and partying and screwing the girls over there ... because it was all such a trip and NY was a downer by comparison! I mean you had Iggy and the Stooges -- really inspiration astuff for your balls --- or Lou Reed --- so inspiring that sometimes you want to get mad at him, or do some more Mary Jane! --- you know the drill ... !!! It was so romantic ... and you really wanted to have some .... fun ... he's very NY'ish if you ask me.
 
But yeah ... if there is one thing we could use right now is a nice mix of Neu and metal ... to help free up some of the over rated lyrics, and that overego thing that because it sells in NY, or London, the whole world has to eat it! It's a number thing ... becauase more read it makes it more important and the rest is stupid!
 
We need to get better than that! And so does Julian with his quasi-fake-plasticpeacesign-bullpuckypoop-idea of "krautrock".


Edited by moshkito - January 10 2012 at 15:07
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I actually got the local library to get this book.
 
Nikos Kotsopoulos " Krautrock: cosmic rock & its legacy " is NOT a discography of bands. If your after a listing of rare Kraut then forget this book. Its all about the history & the scene with many articles taken direct.
 
 Goes into some depth about where it all started: Zodiac Free Arts Lab '68 Cologne.
 
 
There is a review at nudebooks.co.uk
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