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    Posted: June 10 2011 at 08:12
Not individual bands but the genres as a whole. I think I remember seeing one advertised on this site a few years back actually but don't recall a title or anything.

Actually, if there are any good documentaries or sites that have good reads then that would be cool too.


edit: I've done a little searching and the only book that sounds like it's really good is "Krautrock: Cosmic Rock and Its Legacy" which I think is the one I found out about here at ProgArchives a while back, although amazon says it was published in early 2010 and I could have sworn it was at least a year before that when I saw it here. I'm probably wrong though.


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This is Julian Cope's book which is probably the best as it gets. It's out of print unfortunaley and expect to pay a King's ransom for even a paperback edition. I've seen them go for as much as $500 - $ 600 ! I you can believe it.Tongue


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Amazon.Uk flagged this up literally this morning at a discounted price:
 
 
Many people have said The Freeman brothers' Crack in A Cosmic Egg, published a good decade ago, was pretty good. The Freemans for their significantly extended second edition (I think published 2007 or 8) have published in the form of a CDROM
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I didn't find Julian Cope's book any good, too much boring prog bashing and fanboy rantings about a couple of bands.
But at least it had the merit of bringing kraut back to underground attention in the 90's.

The Freeman Brothers 'Crack in A Cosmic Egg is a very good and useful reference.
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Dag Erik Asbjornsen's Cosmic Dreams at play or Eric Deshayes 'Au delà du rock(in french)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andy Webb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2011 at 09:48
Well there's always ProgArchive's very own phillipe's book... http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/music-culture-and-%C2%AB-kosmische-%C2%BB-rock/5053167
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I'll chime in and agree that Krautrock: Cosmic Rock and Its Legacy and the Freeman brothers' Crack in the Cosmic Egg are both pretty good.  Eurock: European Rock & the Second Culture has some nice nuggets too, reviews and articles from Eurock magazine.  Dave Thompson's Space Daze is a pretty entertaining read that touches on several krautrock artists; like Cope's Krautrocksampler, it comes off as more of a fan work than a journalistic or scholarly treatment (not that there's anything wrong with that!)
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Hi,
 
I just did a look for these and ... it is reaaly sad thing ... amazon.co.uk will not mail out from England/Europe and the American amazon does not list the same thing ... so much for a global economy and the desire to get these things around for others to read.
 
I'm so bummmmmmmmed.
 
In general, and this is just an old man speaking that spent a lot of time listening to these things, I am of the opinion that the music itself says a lot more than anything else ... and sometimes I find that what is written is more advertising, a lot more than it is reality.
 
The worst part? ... I can't even get material on Amon Duul 2 in English and it sux! But in many ways, my own translations, while sometimes way out in left field, sometimes seem to make a lot more sense than anything else ... like "sky bikes" ... makes sense for the Star Wars generation, but "sky bites" is a much more valid and expressionist term about this bands work, even with or without the drugs, or a complete change of lifestyle. People were leaving, and it didn't matter to where they went or why, and the Big Bear is as good as New York, or Tokyo. The literacy and imagery that AD2 always used is much more akin and closer to that "literary" license and view, than it is by so many "literal" explanations.
 
So far, the video on Krautrock on the net by the BBC is actually the best thing ever written about it all and the time and place and what "made the music" and Edgar Froese's words are magical and the single greatest and most sensitive comment about it all ... the rest just seems so petty and ... sometimes childish ... although some took that to another degree as is the case with Guru Guru and Faust.
 
But all of these books and articles, do not mention or discuss the sister arts that so many of these people were next to, and that is the part that makes the study of so much of this stuff partially empty and devoid of its 3rd and 4th dimention that would help explain it all a lot more. Like Werner Herzog creating a whole film simply around a piece of music or two from Popol Vuh ... and these books were never good enough to even go talk to Werner himself, who undoubtedly would have nice things to say about many of these ... they were the stuff that MADE HIM what he became! And in a way Klaus Kinski is to acting and film, what AD2 was to rock music ... off the wall, and out there, and no one knew what they were doing! But we all sat there and said ... wow ...
 
Need a better example?
 
The only other part that is sad, is that Klaus Schulze and his friend and webmaster Mueller, trash this early stuff silly and don't think that the Couriers, or the early formative days were valuable or important. And to me, that's like saying you and I were a bunch of idiots when we were kids and could not even appreciate good music, and you know that is plain screwed up and wrong ... I listened to this stuff then and now ... and appreciated music like most never will ... just read the variety of my posts in this board ... but considering one's past history and musical education a wasteland is bizarre, and abusive ... it's what brings you to who you are. And seeing Klaus talk like that about his younger days, is really sad ... and it is all because he could not get more money from it? ... in the end, that alterior motive is what hurt krautrock and killed the arts ... some became famous and the rest idiots?


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Don't like the book "The Crack In The Cosmic Egg" because of it's one dimensional and woefully wrong "review" of Helmut Koellen's solo album music.
          It was barely a few sentences long, and called his solo album music "uninspired and incomplete sounding"
            Nothing could be further from the truth.
        Now, i know that is just a difference of opinion, which is bound to happen in music discussion anywhere, but it was enough to turn me off the book
          Also figured that there are probably other artists who have been raved about or dismissed with a couple of sentences as well, which is wrong in itself, apart from personal views


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Post Options Post Options   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2011 at 20:33
Hi,
 
Still no one to help get these things off the stupid London Amazon! ... might as well tell the global economy to get screwed and folks like Amazon lead the way!
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Hi moshkito -try abebooks.com which is a marketplace for booksellers from around the world. I bought many Moon books from here a few years ago. Krautrocksampler is very entertaining if you are not offended by the author's hatred for prog and heavy rock, but cheap copies are likely to be in French, German or Italian.
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Eurock-European Rock & The Second Culture Archie Patterson which is only available from www.eurock.com

 

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Originally posted by Dick Heath

Amazon.Uk flagged this up literally this morning at a discounted price:
 
 
Many people have said The Freeman brothers' Crack in A Cosmic Egg, published a good decade ago, was pretty good. The Freemans for their significantly extended second edition (I think published 2007 or 8) have published in the form of a CDROM

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Hi moshkito -try abebooks.com which is a marketplace for booksellers from around the world. I bought many Moon books from here a few years ago. Krautrocksampler is very entertaining if you are not offended by the author's hatred for prog and heavy rock, but cheap copies are likely to be in French, German or Italian.
 
Peter Michael Hamel's book "From the Music to the Self" is also right down abusive about most popular music and trashes the whole thing senseless ... so it's really hard for me to sit here and listen to a lot of his material and see another professor simply get free money for creating his own experiments that make him look better and no one else as good. It can get down right annoying and boring! If I remember correctly he does not even give any of the Germans some credit for the work they did, or for what it became.
 
So I'm not surprised. But then, even Dean does not think that the music is anything more than just pop music, so, I suppose that it could be said that it's meaningless and all it was, was simply just a little sex, drugs, rock'n'roll for most of us and nothing else.
 
I keep dreaming that there is more to it all than just ... passing time and escaping boredom in one's life! And I believe that there are many folks my age that are no worse than anyone that we think are the masters in all arts in the 20th century, because rock music and jazz were the two most important arts in the 20th century that still are not getting the credit they deserve.
 
I guess I have to write my own book! No one in this board will read it ... and they were the greatest inspiration that helped formulate one of the most loving looks at the arts you will probably ever find!
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^ btw - abebooks is good, it's owned by Amazon but is tailored more to academic and technical books than Amazon.
 
Nice to be name checked out of context - it gives my words more power than they would have otherwise carried - indeed all Rock and Jazz is Popular Music, but that does not diminish its worth or make it any less Art. Something I have stressed time and time again but some people aren't able to get that - one day they will perhaps, who can tell?


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Hi,
 
Correcting myself publicly ... because what I wrote appears to suggest that Dean said something that he said, which is not quite right.
 
"But then, even Dean does not think that SOME of the music is anything more than just pop music, so, I suppose that it could be said that it IS meaningless and all it was, was simply just a little sex, drugs, rock'n'roll for most of us and nothing else. HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN ALL MUSIC, AND DEAN AGREES."
 
Dean has good evaluations on the stuff with a historical perception, that even I can appreciate. We might not speak the same language, but I am pretty sure that in the end, we want a very similar thing about all this music ... that it survive to live another day, and perhaps write its value in the annals/history of time and music.
 
The hard part ... I have to finish two novels that are bugging me first ... and the progressive music book is on the side. The preface is written btw, and many folks from this board are getting a massive thank you, and Dean ... like it or not ... bored or not (Avatar!) ... your "name" will be there.


Edited by moshkito - December 21 2011 at 10:33
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If anyone's interested, here's a link to a free .pdf download of Julian Cope's Krautrocksampler:
 
 
It's hard to read in places (looks like it was scanned in a hurry), and one page is actually  missing, but it's still a great read. I wish Head Heritage would reissue it already..!
 
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Originally posted by Neu!mann

If anyone's interested, here's a link to a free .pdf download of Julian Cope's Krautrocksampler:
 
 
It's hard to read in places (looks like it was scanned in a hurry), and one page is actually  missing, but it's still a great read. I wish Head Heritage would reissue it already..!
 
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"Tanz der Lemminge" by Ingeborg Schober. It is about Amon Düül in its various incarnations mostly, but covers other German bands too. Unfortunately it has not been translated into English, so you have to be able to read German.

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Cope's book is indeed out of print...and the dude (at least I'm assuming it's a dude...) does say on the page linked above that he would gladly and immediately remove the downloadable .pdf if Mr. Cope or any current publisher wishes it.
 
Black Dog Publishing's 2009 book Krautrock: Cosmic Rock and its Legacy is one of the better resources out there at the moment. It's more of a coffee table book, a little shy on actual analysis or citicism, but it still covers a lot of ground...and the pictures are great.
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