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    Posted: July 10 2011 at 12:43
For those of you who haven't listened to Cardiacs in the shallowest of shallow definitions you could describe them isa mix prog and punk (or pronk by many). To say the very very least- I like Cardiacs. A LOT. And you know when I saw something like a bad review for Cardiacs it's like "IMPOSIBRUUUUU!!!". But I'm really interested to hear why people actually don't like Cardiacs, because I'm yet to understand from the negative reviews what's not to like... By the way this isn't another I'm smarter than you because my opinions are better thread... I'm just really curious... I am smarter than you though...
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Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

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Well, not me. Cool



I like Cardiacs too.
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Don't people say in their reviews why they don't like them?
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there pretty good. as far as largely unlike prog punk goes though i will always prefer deerhoof.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2011 at 13:13
There are many more controversial and worse bands on the archvies. Although admittedly I don't know much from the cardiacs.
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I think they are brilliant, but listening to them invariably gives me a headache.
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I've only heard a single song by the Cardiacs: Is this the Life which I thought was pretty decent indie(ish) plain vanilla rock (not dissimilar to the Psychedelic Furs covering Urgent to my ears)

Is a lot of their stuff like this? (cos this track ain't even prog related never mind RIO/Avant)

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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I've only heard a single song by the Cardiacs: Is this the Life which I thought was pretty decent indie(ish) plain vanilla rock (not dissimilar to the Psychedelic Furs covering Urgent to my ears)

Is a lot of their stuff like this? (cos this track ain't even prog related never mind RIO/Avant)

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^ I enjoyed the track and like how they contrast the punkiness with some symphonic elements but ditto, apart from the brief faux cartoon music fugue snippets ain't this just good rawk?.  You lot ever heard the Virgin Prunes or the Fall? (they ain't Rio/Avant either)
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Is this better?


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Quote Cardiacs- most controversial band?

No, not even close. Most people don't even care about them.
Quote But I'm really interested to hear why people actually don't like Cardiacs,

I never cared enough to really listen to them, to be honest. 
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ I enjoyed the track and like how they contrast the punkiness with some symphonic elements but ditto, apart from the brief faux cartoon music fugue snippets ain't this just good rawk?.  You lot ever heard the Virgin Prunes or the Fall? (they ain't Rio/Avant either)



Some of their material is more straightforward than others, but some tracks (for example, this, R.E.S., Buds and Spawn, etc) are more on the proggy side of things.
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Is this better?




It's certainly (slightly) more avant leaning than previous. Again I liked the song and the Cardiacs do appear to be a very versatile band but ain't this really tantamount to a punky chanted waltz with orchestral/chamber sources assimilated (very skilfully and imaginatively) into an arrangement of what is at source a normal time-worn song structure?

None of this really matters of course, hey ho, the more good bands we have on PA the better but I would imagine there are more than a few (grey) eyebrows raised when the Cardiacs are mentioned in the same breath as RIO/Avant.
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Also this:



As for "most controversial band," by the way...nope.
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That's more like it me hearties. I loved Jibber and Twitch which struck me as a pot pourri of 'neurotic' era XTC multitasking between several different styles at the same time (with some punk and ska added) Great stuff.

R.E.S. is ok, good fun in a sorta Madness meets the League of Gentlemen's Barry Adamson over a shared bottle of Dexedrine atop the latter's dayglo Farfisa. It does get really interesting circa 3 minutes in when they drop the wacky masks and inhabit a very interesting realm redolent of instrumental Prog.

BUT:

Quirky, volatile and tongue in cheek does not RIO/Avant make



Edited by ExittheLemming - July 10 2011 at 20:03
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Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

I think they are brilliant, but listening to them invariably gives me a headache.



this could very well be the reason for most.

I like them, though.
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Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

there pretty good. as far as largely unlike prog punk goes though i will always prefer deerhoof.

Deerhoof's pretty fracking awesome too! Though they have a lot of weak stuff, mostly it's weak because of awful production. "Friend Oppurtunity" and "Milk Man" are personal faves.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

That's more like it me hearties. I loved Jibber and Twitch which struck me as a pot pourri of 'neurotic' era XTC multitasking between several different styles at the same time (with some punk and ska added) Great stuff.

R.E.S. is ok, good fun in a sorta Madness meets the League of Gentlemen's Barry Adamson over a shared bottle of Dexedrine atop the latter's dayglo Farfisa. It does get really interesting circa 3 minutes in when they drop the wacky masks and inhabit a very interesting realm redolent of instrumental Prog.

BUT:

Quirky, volatile and tongue in cheek does not RIO/Avant make


Um I don't know whether they're RIO or not. Tim Smith (band leader) always called them pop music, and I tend to agree. I mean they have all these weird arrangements, and punkish riffs, but in the end they're just great pop songwriters. With that, I think they're one of the most progressive and innovative bands of our time, and considering they definitely don't fit into any "classic prog" sub-genre, and they don't fit to any metal genre, I think that Avant-Prog suits them quite well.  Also:



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Personally I don't like the cockney vocals and the drumming is far too plodding for my taste.
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