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    Posted: July 21 2011 at 14:15
I love both Novalis and Hoelderlin, their style of music, the fact they derive much of their subject matter from classic German poets (the term that German music journalists have coined for them is 'Romantische Rockmusik'). What I am wondering is if there are any other artists in Germany that do the same thing? I have checked out Eloy, and they seemed more of a German Pink Floyd, whereas Kraan was more of a psychedelic jazz band, and Guru Guru and Can were about as Krautrock as you could get (love 'New Age Of Earth' by Ashra, tho). Does anyone have any suggestions on further listening in this somewhat obscure genre?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2011 at 21:10

Ramses might fit the bill, or Minotaurus' sadly only release.  Perhaps Aigues Vives?  I need to think on this a bit more

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maybe Neuschwanstein - Battlement (1979)
Grobschnitt (up until 1977)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cosmiclawnmower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2017 at 13:22
Streetmark- Nordland (led by excellent keyboard player, Dorothea Raukes)
Anyones Daughter- Piktors Verwandlungen (instrumental with some spoken German parts, based on the story by Herman Hesse)

Certainly Grobschnitt and Ramses!

I love Hoelderlin; I think that 'Traumstadt live' is one of the best live lps ever!
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Anyone's Daughter would be my best bet, not just Pictor's Verwandlungen. They also had a similar development to Novalis and Hoelderlin, going for somewhat shorter but still pleasant and intelligent German language songs in the eighties. 
There's an East German band called Stern-Combo Meissen (or Stern Meissen) and "Weisses Gold" or their first live album may fit the bill. I like "Reise zum Mittelkpunkt des Menschen" most, but that sounds quite different from Hoelderlin and Novalis. You may also find something to like in Electra's output, another East German band.
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First band that came to my mind was Ramses. Their first album (La Leyla) is excellent start to finish. Their 2nd has its moments.
Love the 3 Hoelderlin albums (s/t, Clowns and Clouds, Rare Birds) - some of the best German symphonic Prog (they lost much of the first album Folkiness) I've heard.
Love Novalis from their 2nd s/t album, through to Flossenengel. After that, I've once had the LP Sterntaucher, which I cashed in coz it was really disappointing. Love what I've heard from Augenblicke though. Need to get that one.
Oh, there's an odd, very short, Lutz Rahn album from '78 called Solo Trip. It's hit and miss. Great keyboards and playing, but it hasn't aged well, mainly down to the cheezy rhythm-box he utilised.

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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

First band that came to my mind was Ramses. Their first album (La Leyla) is excellent start to finish. Their 2nd has its moments.
Love the 3 Hoelderlin albums (s/t, Clowns and Clouds, Rare Birds) - some of the best German symphonic Prog (they lost much of the first album Folkiness) I've heard.
Love Novalis from their 2nd s/t album, through to Flossenengel. After that, I've once had the LP Sterntaucher, which I cashed in coz it was really disappointing. Love what I've heard from Augenblicke though. Need to get that one.
Oh, there's an odd, very short, Lutz Rahn album from '78 called Solo Trip. It's hit and miss. Great keyboards and playing, but it hasn't aged well, mainly down to the cheezy rhythm-box he utilised.

omg Augenblicke is worth it just for this opening track, one of my favorite instrumentals ever, played with a trad German instrument too!


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Anyone's Daughter would be my best bet, not just Pictor's Verwandlungen. They also had a similar development to Novalis and Hoelderlin, going for somewhat shorter but still pleasant and intelligent German language songs in the eighties. 
There's an East German band called Stern-Combo Meissen (or Stern Meissen) and "Weisses Gold" or their first live album may fit the bill. I like "Reise zum Mittelkpunkt des Menschen" most, but that sounds quite different from Hoelderlin and Novalis. You may also find something to like in Electra's output, another East German band.

I recommend Anyone's Daughter as well

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