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Poll Question: Are these ticket posts Spam?
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    Posted: June 30 2005 at 07:49

Can members please vote, and see if we have a safe majority who think that the selling of tickets, by people who become members for that sole purpose, are spam, and should be deleted?

   I would like the Admin to see what the Members feel and maybe they will take the "democratic" action!

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Keep voting!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 10:06

This might just snowball.........

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 10:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 10:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 12:07
Come on you people, this is the rallying cry......FOR FREEDOM!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 14:03

I think there should be a place for selling anything prog/music related, but not at random threads, and not by non-members (one post fly bye's are not members).

Maybe we should create a specific thread for sales purposes. One thread where members can offer their merchandise, and one thread where members can ask for specific products. And change a little in the forum regulations, create some rules about selling products (Only in the specified threads, no multiple attempts, at least member for a X number of days).

All sales attempts outside such a thread, or post relaying to such a thread, can be regarded spam, or at least not conform forum regulations, and should therefor be deleted.

As some will know, I'm not really against selling anything (I don't care since I won't buy from dubious people, so their sale attempts are wasted on me), but if a majority on the forum are against the sale of a product (in this case it's a concert ticket, in other cases it can be adult porn, or memberships cards for the KKK, all three are within the freedom as protected by the law, but there can be a controversie about whether the offered product is something we want associated with the site) it shouldn't be allowed.

In the end this is Ronnie and M@X's site, so they'll have the final word on what they find appropriate for this site.

 

For the integrity of the site, I think we shouldn't allow dubious sale attempts (product, seller, or method of selling).

So i voted Yes delete them please Maani.

because.

1. The sellers aren't members, but one post fly bye's
2. Product is questionable
3. two or three attempts within the hour is spam
4. Controversie arrose over the product, some people (valuable members) deemed it inapropriate, and I think most are against it. why protect these spammers and not take notice of the long term members feelings (which in some cases are very strong)

Even if I was convinced all was well with the sale of this product, I would still delete this, since it obviously isn't well with a number of regular members.

 

hope I make sense, if not, so be it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 16:17
Thanks Tux!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 19:06
This vote is not as overwhelming as I thought it would be! Is everyone happy with the situation then?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 19:28
You got my vote Snow Dog

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 20:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 23:07

Originally posted by Snow Dog

This vote is not as overwhelming as I thought it would be! Is everyone happy with the situation then?

20 against 0

 

not an overwelming victorie for social grace against moral decay

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2005 at 05:53

I'm on the other side of the world so I didn't take any notice of them
but I can see how it might be a nuisance    so I voted to get rid of them.
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It's Happy Christmas for the whores.....the war is over.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2005 at 12:08
Originally posted by Tony R

It's Happy Christmas for the whores.....the war is over.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2005 at 14:14
I voted Yes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2005 at 14:39

tuxon:

Your reasons for deleting the threads were:

1. The sellers aren't members, but one post fly bye's
2. Product is questionable
3. two or three attempts within the hour is spam
4. Controversie arrose over the product, some people (valuable members) deemed it inapropriate, and I think most are against it. why protect these spammers and not take notice of the long term members feelings (which in some cases are very strong)

Re #1, I have pointed out that the two dozen or more "members" who joined for the sole purpose of giving Octavarium a 5-star review are also not "members," and are "one post fly-bye's."  Should I delete all of their posts and eject them as well?

Re #2, many posts (and even threads) are "questionable," yet they are allowed to remain because to do otherwise is to enter the very realm of "censorship" that few here would like to see this site devolve into.

Re #3, as far as I can tell, these people posted once each; I do not see multiple attempts.  Once the thread or post was opened, discussion/conversation ensued, but that does not make "multiple attempts."  If I am missing something here, let me know.

Re #4, controversy has arisen over quite a number of things on this site, including the inclusion of Radiohead, the recent DT/Octavarium situation, and dozens of threads and posts that "some people deemed inappropriate," and that many members "were against."  However, the admin group looked at each of these "offending" threads, posts, etc. on a case by case basis, and in most cases allowed them to remain because they did not rise to the level that the admin group felt warranted deletion.

Contrary to your statement, no one is "protecting these spammers and not taking notice of the long-term members feelings."  We are indeed taking notice of the members' feelings.  However, while the members are entitled to their feelings, we do not agree that the remedy being sought by some members (i.e., deletion) is appropriate in this instance; we have chosen to "err on the side of caution," since it appears that some good may well come out of the sales.  For us to delete the threads would amount to our "caving in" to member pressure, based largely on what is the presumed nefarious intent of the sellers - which not only cannot be proven, but which is actually disproven by some of the sellers' claims, made not in response to this controversy, but at the time of initial posting.

No, what is occurring here is that sometimes the majority is wrong, and it is incumbent upon the administrators of the site to stand behind the "greater" principle - free speech - than the "lesser" principle, a somewhat tenuous issue of "morality" vis-a-vis the entire concept of scalping.

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