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    Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:00
Listening to that new live album from 1974 as I write this (many thanks to a certain individual), and I am now adament that they are in fact the greatest Italian symphonic band, period. PFM are NOTHING compared to daring composition, expert musicianship and sheer grandeur that is Banco!

Your thoughts?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:18
must... get... this... live album... now........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:20

I don't know of the album you mentioned (I'd love to), I only know of their "Banco", "Darwin", "Io Sono Nato Libero", and "Comein ultima cena" and I absolutely agree, although I am a fan of PFM, too.

I have listened to the said albums a couple of times now, but they look so rich to me, like I've never even sampled them - a continuous revelation, food for thought and music hunger!

Another great from Italy are I think Museo Rosenbach, with their flooding musicianship and overwhelming ideas in Zarathustra.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:20
PFM "nothing"??  No expert musicianship in PFM?  I haven't heard this live album you are referring to, but I think you may be overstating things a bit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:21
This live album is amazing! Listed on the archives - Seguendo Le Tracce. The sound quality is ASTONISHING! I've never heard such clarity on a live recording, ever!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 08:59

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Listening to that new live album from 1974 as I write this (many thanks to a certain individual), and I am now adament that they are in fact the greatest Italian symphonic band, period. PFM are NOTHING compared to daring composition, expert musicianship and sheer grandeur that is Banco!

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to minimize other excellent/great/good Italian prog bands... but essentially, I agree with you. BMS is the best Italian prog band ever!!!!   ... In my humble opinion, of course. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 10:06
I can agree on Vittorio and Gianni Nocenzi being technically more gifted than their counterparts Flavio Premoli (PFM) or Toni Pagliuca (Le Orme), and on Francesco Di Giacomo having a distinctive and fascinating voice. As concerns guitar/bass parts I would say PFM is better, though!

Then I sometimes find their music too pompous and hard to listen to...
Surely their debut effort and Come in un'ultima cena contain outstanding tracks such as Il giardino del mago or Il Ragno (my favourite Banco track up to now)

That said, I prefer PFM for their composition skills, but I do surely like Banco (and Le Orme as well)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 10:12
I forgot to mention their lyrics...
Di Giacomo can write excellent poetry lines...but they are sometimes too heavy for the listener's experience...
PFM are more "down to earth", but easier-listening
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:36

Originally posted by BiGi BiGi wrote:

I can agree on Vittorio and Gianni Nocenzi being technically more gifted than their counterparts Flavio Premoli (PFM) or Toni Pagliuca (Le Orme), and on Francesco Di Giacomo having a distinctive and fascinating voice. As concerns guitar/bass parts I would say PFM is better, though!

Then I sometimes find their music too pompous and hard to listen to...
Surely their debut effort and Come in un'ultima cena contain outstanding tracks such as Il giardino del mago or Il Ragno (my favourite Banco track up to now)

That said, I prefer PFM for their composition skills, but I do surely like Banco (and Le Orme as well)

Agreed 100%.  Banco is amazing at times, but I've found not as easy a listen as PFM is.  I know very little about Le Orme and was very dissapointed with an album I purchased a few years ago (so much so, I got rid of it).  I heard nothing in common with Banco or PFM.  It was quite boring.  Il Fiume I believe it was called.  Maybe someone could recommend a better starting point for Le Orme?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:45
Don't forget that Banco sold out!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 11:47

I got to know Banco 5 or 6 years later than PFM, Le Orme and many other great Italian bands. And the result was overwhelming - similar to what I can feel Trousepress is feeling now.  I used to listen to PFM and/or to Le Orme after each time I listened to Banco in order to compare, and my assurance that Banco are better was growing each time.  However I would never dismiss other Italian bands and never describe them as "nothing" compared to Banco. They are still great, but with Banco still keeping position no.1 in my list. And, as I mentionned already somewhere in these forums, I consider Francesco Di Giacomo as the best vocal in prog.

Now I definitely should get their live album mentionned by Trouserpress, which I do not have, as in general I do not like live recordings...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:33
"Seguendo le Tracce" is pure fantastic genius, some months ago I bought also an ultra rare live cd by BMS: Papagayo Club 1972...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:36
What album is Traccia II on?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:44
What's that live album called?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 13:45
Originally posted by bluetailfly bluetailfly wrote:

What album is Traccia II on?

1973 Io sono nato libero
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 14:37
Originally posted by DolphinFan DolphinFan wrote:

Maybe someone could recommend a better starting point for Le Orme?

I have Felona e Sorona. That one is VERY good. Better than the Banco cd I have by far. I think Il Fiume is a modern cd of theirs. Gotta start where they were best! The 70s

Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione
Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album)
Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific
2007:
Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon
La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 14:59
I think PFM and Banco are both wonderful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 15:34
Probably the best start with "Le Orme" is Antologia 1970-1980. It is not just an "Anthology": this album marks the rebirth of this group after the "dark" eighties. I attended at the final show that promoted this album in 1994 and it was definitely great ! It was as if the band had rediscovered thier prog roots... Since then they have performed regurally live the songs contained in this anthology and released other albums in the prog mood. They're not an heritage of the past but they're still great and with new ideas. Although PFM and BMS are still performing live too, but I have to say that they seem to have lost inspiration. Last year I attended a PFM concert and the most recent song dated 1981 ! Anyway, PFM in 1979 realesed an album live with Fabrizio De André, probably the most influent italian singer-songwriter. I'm suprised that this album is not on Progarchives. It's absolutely great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 16:21

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Listening to that new live album from 1974 as I write this (many thanks to a certain individual), and I am now adament that they are in fact the greatest Italian symphonic band, period. PFM are NOTHING compared to daring composition, expert musicianship and sheer grandeur that is Banco!

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PFM nothing? Per un amico and L'Isola Di Niente are quite daring. And Banco are perhaps the Italian chaps as it comes to grandeur and musicianship, but PFM has the feeling. They can so more with less notes. But even they are very good musicians, as one can hear on the excellent Per Un Amico. PFM are Italy's best!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 16:23
^ BTW, I meant CHAMPS, not chaps. Yeah, they're good old chaps allright!
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