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    Posted: October 15 2011 at 11:20
I like the one Kayo Dot I have (Coyote) more than the one Tool I have (10000 Days), but I probably best not vote based on such a small sample.

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Kayo Dot.
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Neither are my favourites. I went for Tool. I just can't get into Kayo Dot.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 12:47
From what I've heard, which is the four Kayo Dot studio albums and not much Tool, I hugely prefer Kayo Dot, but it would be unfair of me to vote without having heard a comparable amount of Tool, so no vote (at least at this time).

Perhaps I will vote if people post youtube tracks of both in this poll and will vote purely based on those.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote harmonium.ro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:18
Originally posted by Anthony H.

KD is great, but I prefer Tool. They're one of the the bands that got me into music.


I doubt it would reach the heights of your DT vs. Magma poll. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:19
Tool for me, as much as I do not believe they are a prog band, but more of an adventurous modern rock band, just like Radiohead. But Tool is still better than Kayo Dot
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Originally posted by Anthony H.

KD is great, but I prefer Tool. They're one of the the bands that got me into music.


I doubt it would reach the heights of your DT vs. Magma poll. LOL


I don't know, it might! LOL
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Originally posted by darkshade

Tool for me, as much as I do not believe they are a prog band, but more of an adventurous modern rock band, just like Radiohead. But Tool is still better than Kayo Dot


How is this not prog?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:25
I'll admit, they have a few songs, especially on 10000 Days, but overall, no.

Ive been into Tool since 1999 or 2000, and I never heard anyone refer to Tool as a prog rock band until around the time 10000 Days came out, and all of a sudden, they were considered prog rock. They were always considered alt-rock, or alt-metal whatever.
Same thing with Radiohead (except Ive never been into them)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Anthony H. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:33
Originally posted by darkshade

I'll admit, they have a few songs, especially on 10000 Days, but overall, no.

Ive been into Tool since 1999 or 2000, and I never heard anyone refer to Tool as a prog rock band until around the time 10000 Days came out, and all of a sudden, they were considered prog rock. They were always considered alt-rock, or alt-metal whatever.
Same thing with Radiohead (except Ive never been into them)


On Aenima, we have stuff like Eulogy, Push*t, and Third Eye. I think the reason that they've only been recently been referred to as prog is because the term "prog" has only recently lost its stigmatization.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:41
Maybe. I'm not denying that they don't do some wild things, and as I said they are adventurous. There's odd time sigs, long song structure. I put them in a similar category as System of A Down, who are also adventurous, though not as much as Tool. They just don't belong being grouped with bands like Kayo Dot, GYBE, The Flower Kings, Beardfish, etc... I would even say The Mars Volta should be lumped in with Tool and SOAD, due to popularity and style, but TMV go one step further, maybe it's the psych thing that propels them into the prog territory.
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Tool have been considered Prog Metal pretty much ever since Lateralus came out, I've certainly seen them reffered to as such long before 10 000 Days got released. I'd also say that Lateralus was a prog metal album since there's very little on it that can realistacly be considered as having a comercial song structure (unlike SoaD, who despite being very adventerous still rely heavily on that structure).

BTW, what the hell does popularity have to do with anything when conisdering whether a band is prog or not?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 13:59
It doesn't. Re-read what I typed.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 14:02
Can we just skip to the Porcupine Tree vs Dream Theater poll and get it over with?  Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 14:04
Add Coheed and Cambria to that list of bands. (not you Epignosis). Bands that incorporate many prog elements, but are at a core of some other style of music
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Post Options Post Options   Quote frippism Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2011 at 14:27
Kayo Dot!! Not a big fan of Tool. Coyote is a masterpiece. 
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Originally posted by Anthony H.

How is this not prog?

Honestly, all I ever hear from Tool is stretched out alt-rock songs. I'm not protesting their inclusion on the site or anything, but I pretty much agree with him.
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Kayo Dot I suppose.
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Kayo Dot.
Never got what's so great about Tool (though they have their moments)

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