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Poll Question: which Journey do you prefer ?
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    Posted: October 29 2011 at 05:37

Well, for me it's obvious that the progressive Journey is pretty lame with comparison to the blast that was the Steve-Perry fronted band.

I would be very surprised if the progressive Journey won this poll.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lucas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 15:32
comments are also welcome !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 19:31
I enjoy the prog Journey, but I like it best when it shows up in bits and pieces during the AOR Journey. 
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There is no prog Journey.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2011 at 03:22
Originally posted by Horizons

There is no prog Journey.


 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lucas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2011 at 06:49
To HORIZONS and MAN WITH A HAT :
 
 
 
Quoting Journey's biography on PA :
 
Journey biography
JOURNEY is a American band who started playing in the early months of '73 in San Francisco. The music of JOURNEY is divided in 2 parts, the one from early 1973 'till 1977 when guitarist Neal Schon and keyboardist Gregg Rolie, both of Santana fame, met with bassist Ross Valory and drummer Prairie Prince from The Tubes (replaced later by Aynsley Dunbar) in the summer of 1974. Their music back then was jazz rock with progressive elements and fusion interplays , instrumental passages being pretty much top notch thanks to Neal Schon's driving riffs and solid bass lines of Valory, while the keyboards (still mostly the Hammond organ) of Rollie was something " la Santana" but less latino-inspired.

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This thing will change next year, in 1978, when it is considered that the band stepped into a new period, the second one. After three albums that were considered dissapointing sales-wise, but were in fact Journey's most progressive ones from the entire discography, Journey hired a better vocalist - Steve Perry. Actually the change was mostly enforced by CBS, or else they would drop the band's recording contract. The results were immediately felt on the fourth album, Infinity, released in 1978, who was sold in over one million copies, more than the previous albums altogether. But the sound changes were almost dramatic. From that jazz-fusion progressive music they turned in an AOR - hard rock band, not far from what FOREIGNER, STYX or BOSTON played during the same period.
 
 
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I consider the first 3 Journey albums to be by Journey, the others (from when Steve Perry joined) just sounds like a completely different band to me.
So... it's PROG for me
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DavetheSlave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2011 at 08:19
No prog - but however I will say that it is probably true that more people have fallen in love dancing to a Journey track than just about any other artist out there can boast. Prog no - powerful, most definately yes. Anybody that loaths journey simply doesn't have a heart beating in their chest. 
Steve Perry - well, to me he is simply one of the best vocalists that rock has ever seen - up with Freddy Mercury.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:10
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lucas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2011 at 10:30
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have you listened to their first three albums ?
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I've listened to the first three albums.....they were weaning themselves off of the jazzy prog of Santana trying to get themselves into the mainstream, which was weaning itself away from the progressive styles of the late 60s and early 70s.  I place Journey square into that overproduced schlock that was soon to known as corporate rock....Foreigner, Boston, Kansas, Styx.  Don't get me wrong - there are some fair to good songs on the first three albums (and on early Kansas and Styx albums as well) - Look Into the Future, Kohutek - but nothing that I ever have much of an urge to put on.  In fact, some of the stuff I found bearable in the past is really abrasive when I hear it now.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 09:33
I must check out some early Journey. I know one song only which I used to love. "Lady Luck" I think ot was called. Which is that. Prog?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2011 at 10:08
The early albuims are not that great, but they definitely set the band up as a prog band. For me, the Perry era albums are much better, but contain little or no prog as such.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nightfly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:19
Escape and Frontiers are two of the best AOR albums ever and the early albums okay but fairly average in comparrison. AOR Journey for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:34
I think that this is a pretty cool Journey song from the 80's La Raza Del Sol that only appeared on their box set.  It is on their 2001 Live video.  It has a Santana feel to it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Evolver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:35
The early prog Journey is not very compelling.  But Steve Perry's Journey never interested me at all.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2011 at 14:45
This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek.  A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2011 at 12:20
Originally posted by rushfan4

This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek.  A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different.


I like this live version:



I don't find it completely musically different; it actually has a VERY Zeuhlish vibe to me (though the lead guitar makes is sound more significantly different). I like it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Miracle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2011 at 14:10
 
Originally posted by rushfan4

This is a pretty cool Journey song from their debut album Kohoutek.  A title like that might fit in just fine on a Magma album, although the music is completely different.


That one's actually pretty good!

They went very quickly from a mediocre pop-fusion band to a horrible AOR one. I don't like either but the early stuff is at least listenable.
Amazingly AOR is winning though. It's one of the mysteries of the universe.Confused


Edited by The Miracle - November 15 2011 at 14:17
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Post Options Post Options   Quote lucas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2011 at 16:07
Originally posted by The Miracle

 Amazingly AOR is winning though. It's one of the mysteries of the universe.Confused
sometimes you have to admit that prog is worse than pop.
To put it simply, there is no emotion in prog Journey.
With Steve Smith on drums and Steve Perry on vocals, this band could only IMPROVE (a drummer coming from jazz circles, and a vocalist whose inspiration comes from Sam Cooke).
 
An album like 'Frontiers' is excellent AOR, and blows away everything they released pre-Perry.
 
 
 
and a song that reminds a lot 80s Rush :
 
 
 
 
 
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