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    Posted: March 16 2013 at 17:00
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Lately I've been discovering and enjoying quiet a bit of Wilson and Porcupine Tree, but it will be very difficult for me to find anything as extremely beautiful as Oldfields first 4 albums.

Oh I don't know , Songs Of Distant Earth runs them closeWink


Yeah, I forgot about that one, which is great too, of course. I guess the closest he got to the glory of his original four... together with Amarok, I guess, but I haven't heard that one yet.

Amarok tends to divide opinion as its not quite as structured as those others. I love it personally.
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Mike Oldfield for me.
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Originally posted by Blacksword

... But Oldfield has produced some insipid bilge over the years too. Five miles Out is the musical equivalent of eating dry branflakes.

I implore you go and re-listen to Five Miles Out, hell just listen to Taurus II, one of Oldfields best pieces in my opinion. I also like some other his later output. I think Discovery is a solid album, as is Crisis and Earth Moving. Some real gems in those three albums; The Lake from Discovery - a great instrumental, Holy from Earth Moving with Adrian Belew on vocals, how could you not enjoy that?, and the eponymous track on Crisis as well as most of side B all are great, albeit different from his first albums, but great none the less.

I've listened to Mike Oldfields entire discography many times over, and Five Miles Out is in the Top 5 for me, easily.
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Originally posted by zachfive

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... But Oldfield has produced some insipid bilge over the years too. Five miles Out is the musical equivalent of eating dry branflakes.

I implore you go and re-listen to Five Miles Out, hell just listen to Taurus II, one of Oldfields best pieces in my opinion. I also like some other his later output. I think Discovery is a solid album, as is Crisis and Earth Moving. Some real gems in those three albums; The Lake from Discovery - a great instrumental, Holy from Earth Moving with Adrian Belew on vocals, how could you not enjoy that?, and the eponymous track on Crisis as well as most of side B all are great, albeit different from his first albums, but great none the less.

I've listened to Mike Oldfields entire discography many times over, and Five Miles Out is in the Top 5 for me, easily.
I like Tauras II a lot but not much else on 5 Miles Out, to me it's behind TB, Ommadawn, Hegrest Ridge, Incantations, Amarok & Songs From A Distant Earth
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Originally posted by richardh


Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by richardh


Originally posted by Dellinger

Lately I've been discovering and enjoying quiet a bit of Wilson and Porcupine Tree, but it will be very difficult for me to find anything as extremely beautiful as Oldfields first 4 albums.

Oh I don't know , Songs Of Distant Earth runs them closeWink


Yeah, I forgot about that one, which is great too, of course. I guess the closest he got to the glory of his original four... together with Amarok, I guess, but I haven't heard that one yet.

Amarok tends to divide opinion as its not quite as structured as those others. I love it personally.


I'm afraid I don't know it yet, except for a small excerpt from the best of album "elements", which I really like a lot (though perhaps the "special effects" were a bit too loud). However, I'm a bit put off by the idea of it all being just one song, because it's kind of impractical. If I don't have the time to listen to the whole album in one run it can be complicated.
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Amarok is the only one that doesn't put me to sleep anymore.
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Amarok is an album you must listen to in one sitting, from start to end. A stunning work of art!
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Wilson here by a country mile.  I rate each of his studio albums to be easily better than anything by Oldfield that I know.

He's a nice guy, but sorry Mike. 
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Originally posted by Roj

Wilson here by a country mile.  I rate each of his studio albums to be easily better than anything by Oldfield that I know.

He's a nice guy, but sorry Mike. 
Guess I'm the other way round, I'd pick up 5 Oldfield albums before getting to any Wilson.
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Oldfield made those first 3-4 albums, was so cutting edge at the time, after that he lost me.
Wilson seems to be growing fast (or actualy putting his focus into solo work)
 
As it stands now i will vote "I like them both equally", but i would think Wilson takes the lead very soon. 
 
If Wilsons other projects collaborations ect. was included. No contest. - Mike is relatively one sided.
 


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I really don't understand what's there so special about Mike Oldfield. For example, talking of 'Tubular Bells', I can name really entertaining only the last few minutes of part one, but... very soon I feel that they're very repetitive. I love Oldfield's music, but to rate it over Steven Wilson's stuff is... just... obsolete.

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Wilson has 3 albums. Oldfield has about 3 good ones, if only he had stopped after those.
Oldfield was more groundbreaking, Wilson is a better judge of his own work. I'll go with Wilson
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Originally posted by ole-the-first

I really don't understand what's there so special about Mike Oldfield. For example, talking of 'Tubular Bells', I can name really entertaining only the last few minutes of part one, but... very soon I feel that they're very repetitive. I love Oldfield's music, but to rate it over Steven Wilson's stuff is... just... obsolete.

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I very much agree. Tubular Bells is probably a 2 star album for me. Even when I was an Oldfield fan it left me cold. Guess I don't see what others do.
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Originally posted by ole-the-first

  I love Oldfield's music, but to rate it over Steven Wilson's stuff is... just... obsolete.

I guess by that logic rating Gabriel era Genesis ahead of BBT is... just... obsolete.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad

Originally posted by ole-the-first

  I love Oldfield's music, but to rate it over Steven Wilson's stuff is... just... obsolete.

I guess by that logic rating Gabriel era Genesis ahead of BBT is... just... obsolete.

No, it's reductio ad absurdum.


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never understood the hype surroudning Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson. I saw Porcupine Tree open for Marillion, and to be honest, it bored me to death.

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Originally posted by ole-the-first

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad

Originally posted by ole-the-first

  I love Oldfield's music, but to rate it over Steven Wilson's stuff is... just... obsolete.

I guess by that logic rating Gabriel era Genesis ahead of BBT is... just... obsolete.

No, it's reductio ad absurdum.
Indeed it is.
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Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine

Originally posted by ole-the-first

I really don't understand what's there so special about Mike Oldfield. For example, talking of 'Tubular Bells', I can name really entertaining only the last few minutes of part one, but... very soon I feel that they're very repetitive. I love Oldfield's music, but to rate it over Steven Wilson's stuff is... just... obsolete.

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I very much agree. Tubular Bells is probably a 2 star album for me. Even when I was an Oldfield fan it left me cold. Guess I don't see what others do.

Tubular Bells is overloaded with ideas which are mostly great but not properly developed imo. Ommadawn was the one that blew me away on first listen and Hergest Ridge was the one that rewarded me after many plays. That said Incantations would be one of my desert island disc picks if only for the awesome Part 3.
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Mike Oldfield all the way. I'm just not a big fan of Steven Wilson.
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