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Poll Question: Where does this artist fit in the Prog spectrum?
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    Posted: November 07 2011 at 10:10


Everyone seems to have their own definition of prog
 
There are many bands that some people will say are not prog and others will say they are.

The powers that be within PA have slotted Vangelis into the Prog Related genre.

I am interested to hear peoples opinions
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2nd option because of albums such as The Dragon, Earth, Albedo 0.39, etc.

The fact he is listed in Prog Related and Nine Inch Nails and Bjork are in Crossover Prog is laughable.




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I'm a little bit reticent to get involved in another of these conversations, but, to answer the question, no hesitation in describing him as prog.


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Originally posted by Morningrise

2nd option because of albums such as The Dragon, Earth, Albedo 0.39, etc.

The fact he is listed in Prog Related and Talking Heads and Bjork are in Crossover Prog is laughable.




This. Bjork is mainstream pop with a few quirks. Keep waiting for Lady Gaga to show up in crossover.
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this has been discussed a few times before.

Vangelis certianly has albums that I would describe as Prog, so yeah.  I certianly think Vangelis better suited to a prog category.  I think had he just released albums such as Hypothesis and Dragon, he'd definitely be in a Prog category (Hypothesis and Dragon are my faves of his, and I think i became aware of them due to an earlier discussion)









I cannot fathom why anyone would have voted "Not Prog at all - IMO" unless said person is not that familiar with his  material.



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he is prog for sure - no doubt in my mind  :)

even the least proggiest of his albums are still prog to me

I have heard about 7 or 8 of them

not sure exactly which category he belongs in though
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2011 at 14:00
Originally posted by digdug

he is prog for sure - no doubt in my mind  :)

even the least proggiest of his albums are still prog to me

I have heard about 7 or 8 of them

not sure exactly which category he belongs in though

Progressive Electronic, but they are very snooty over there.
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Originally posted by Morningrise

2nd option because of albums such as The Dragon, Earth, Albedo 0.39, etc.

The fact he is listed in Prog Related and Talking Heads and Bjork are in Crossover Prog is laughable.


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Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by digdug

he is prog for sure - no doubt in my mind  :)

even the least proggiest of his albums are still prog to me

I have heard about 7 or 8 of them

not sure exactly which category he belongs in though

Progressive Electronic, but they are very snooty over there.


I wouldn't say snooty, but strict.  Vangelis was declined for Progressive Electronic, and I think an Art Rock sub such as Crossover could fit work of his well (or Eclectic ).  He has electronic, jazzy, avant Prog, psych Krautrocky, and more classical symphish pieces.

EDIT: By the way, Morningrise, I'm really sick of those kinds of comments and don't find it constructive at all.  I don't think that the Crossover team ever even evaluated Vangelis (he was in PR before even the formation of that team) so it's not that relevant if you know how teams work and the process goes.  Prog Related was supported by the Electronic team as I recall.

Digdug, of the albums you have, do you have Hypothesis and Dragon?  What albums do you think most suitable to a Prog category that you have?



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I don't get the V-man being relegated to mere prog related.  Larry Fast's Synergy is there, too.  What the hey, he's in good company.
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Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by digdug

he is prog for sure - no doubt in my mind  :)

even the least proggiest of his albums are still prog to me

I have heard about 7 or 8 of them

not sure exactly which category he belongs in though

Progressive Electronic, but they are very snooty over there.


I wouldn't say snooty, but strict. 

You are probably right.LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2011 at 14:37
Originally posted by Slartibartfast

I don't get the V-man being relegated to mere prog related.  Larry Fast's Synergy is there, too.  What the hey, he's in good company.
He is in good company, and I agree I am not sure I understand the prog related route either but one thing this site shows up time and time again is....subjectivitySmile
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Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by digdug

he is prog for sure - no doubt in my mind  :)

even the least proggiest of his albums are still prog to me

I have heard about 7 or 8 of them

not sure exactly which category he belongs in though

Progressive Electronic, but they are very snooty over there.


I wouldn't say snooty, but strict. 

You are probably right.LOL


I have great respect for Philippe, and for Rico while he was on the team.  It's actually been one of the team threads that I've most enjoyed visiting/ making sugesstions to.  Both very personable, insightful, quick to respond,  thorough in response, easy to talk to, and enthusiastic when they enjoy the music..


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Originally posted by Logan



I have great respect for Philippe, and for Rico while he was on the team.  It's actually been one of the team threads that I've most enjoyed visiting/ making sugesstions to.  Both very personable, insightful, quick to respond,  thorough in response, easy to talk to, and enthusiastic when they enjoy the music..
That just deepens the mystery.  I think I figured it out though: Beauborg. LOL
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Originally posted by Logan



I have great respect for Philippe, and for Rico while he was on the team.  It's actually been one of the team threads that I've most enjoyed visiting/ making sugesstions to.  Both very personable, insightful, quick to respond,  thorough in response, easy to talk to, and enthusiastic when they enjoy the music..
That just deepens the mystery.  I think I figured it out though: Beauborg. LOL


Beaubourg!  It's good Borg, Vangelis must be prog assimilated.




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Originally posted by Chris S

Originally posted by Morningrise

2nd option because of albums such as The Dragon, Earth, Albedo 0.39, etc.

The fact he is listed in Prog Related and Talking Heads and Bjork are in Crossover Prog is laughable.


Talking Heads are in prog related - Get your facts right
 
My bad. I remembered that between Talking Heads, Bjork, and Nine Inch Nails,two of  those bands were listed as crossover. I even checked to see which of those two were. But at the time of my post I put Talking Heads instead of Nine Inch Nails. Fixed now.
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Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Originally posted by Logan



I have great respect for Philippe, and for Rico while he was on the team.  It's actually been one of the team threads that I've most enjoyed visiting/ making sugesstions to.  Both very personable, insightful, quick to respond,  thorough in response, easy to talk to, and enthusiastic when they enjoy the music..
That just deepens the mystery.  I think I figured it out though: Beauborg. LOL


Beaubourg!  It's good Borg, Vangelis must be prog assimilated.



Wait a second, wait a second!!! Windham Hill reissued Beauborg???  Windham Hill???? LOL
Nah, I was surprised when I found the French Frith Kaiser Thompson album, Invisible Means, on the label. 

You know, that album isn't as bad as I remembered, granted I stopped that clip after about 30 seconds. 


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Originally posted by Logan

Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by digdug

he is prog for sure - no doubt in my mind  :)

even the least proggiest of his albums are still prog to me

I have heard about 7 or 8 of them

not sure exactly which category he belongs in though

Progressive Electronic, but they are very snooty over there.


I wouldn't say snooty, but strict.  Vangelis was declined for Progressive Electronic, and I think an Art Rock sub such as Crossover could fit work of his well (or Eclectic ).  He has electronic, jazzy, avant Prog, psych Krautrocky, and more classical symphish pieces.

EDIT: By the way, Morningrise, I'm really sick of those kinds of comments and don't find it constructive at all.  I don't think that the Crossover team ever even evaluated Vangelis (he was in PR before even the formation of that team) so it's not that relevant if you know how teams work and the process goes.  Prog Related was supported by the Electronic team as I recall.

Digdug, of the albums you have, do you have Hypothesis and Dragon?  What albums do you think most suitable to a Prog category that you have?

 
My comment wasn't meant to be taken as an attack to the crossover team. Perhaps it came out rude. It wasn't my intention. I was just trying to say that to my ears Vangelis is much proggier than Bjork and Nine Inch Nails. And that he deserves to be in another category rather than Prog Related. Progressive Electronic seems more suitable.  
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Originally posted by Morningrise

 
My comment wasn't meant to be taken as an attack to the crossover team. Perhaps it came out rude. It wasn't my intention. I was just trying to say that to my ears Vangelis is much proggier than Bjork and Nine Inch Nails. And that he deserves to be in another category rather than Prog Related. Progressive Electronic seems more suitable.  

I was there and supported some controversial additions and don't regret or take offense with someone disagrees.  I don't really know Bjork that well, but I would have been happy with NIN in PR.  And yes, I do find Vangelis more prog than NIN, but I do appreciate the prog and prog influences in Reznor's work.  But I'd still like to hear from the folks who didn't approve of Vangelis or Synergy for progressive electronic if they still stand by that, why, or if might they want to reconsider...


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Originally posted by Morningrise

2nd option because of albums such as The Dragon, Earth, Albedo 0.39, etc.

The fact he is listed in Prog Related and Talking Heads and Bjork are in Crossover Prog is laughable.




This. Bjork is mainstream pop with a few quirks. Keep waiting for Lady Gaga to show up in crossover.


I'm no fan. Infact most of her music and her voice annoys me most of the time. But Medulla, Volta and Biophilia is far from mainstream pop with a few quirks. I'd say she's more truly progressive than any of the bands still competing in that Post 70's world Cup.

- Vangelis is prog no doubt. He should be in Eclectic... or I don't know. The ones I've kept in my collection by him are: Hypothesis, The Dragon, Sex Power, Earth, Heaven and Hell, L'apocalypse des Animaux, Albedo 039, Beaubourg. Eight albums in almost as many different genres.

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