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Topic: Toto vs Nightwish vs Metallica vs Iron Maidon Posted: December 13 2015 at 03:46
Toto - most consistent out of these and their new album was a very pleasant surprise.
Iron Maidon? After the great Brave New World, their albums were quite inconsistent (well, maybe except AMoLaD which was pretty good). Nightwish - the early stuff is ok, starting with Once, they're pretty awful to me. Metallica hasn't released anything great since 1988; Load/Reload are ok, although there are some filler songs on both.
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Posted: October 29 2013 at 23:52
Nightwish, I do not know at all, and Toto not much. So on to the other two. Iron
Maiden is easily my favorite. I used to like Metallica, though now I'm
indifferent.
I think Metallica is more skilled technically than anyone
on this list, but Iron Maiden is definitely more progressive. Metallica
did attempt more epic style songs (with a probably influence from the
likes of Iron Maiden), but with the exception of a piano intro on their
recent album, kept their lineup to strictly guitars, bass, and drums. I
do think they would have been more explorative and exciting if it
weren't for the unfortunate death of Burton. They still tried some new
things, such as their very heavy southern influences in the 90's,
performing with a live orchestra, the different sounds they employed on
St. Anger, and even collaborating with Lou Reed a couple years back. But
they are more relevant today than any other act or artist that's been
around since at least the early 1980's, so they have developed lasting
power.
Iron Maiden on the other hand was more progressive in a
sense. Their first album is borderline prog metal, and they kept going
from there. Their lyrics often discussed historical and fantasy-related
topics, much more than other metal acts. They included the use of synths
and keys which definitely changed their sound (for the better in my
opinion). The 90's saw the Blaze Bayley era, which really saw some dark and moody music, as well as longer songs. Dickinson's return marked the beginning of my favorite era in Iron Maiden's history. They kept working on more epic songs with more intricacies and instrumental sections. Their more recent epic songs tend to run with the same formulae, but they are still interesting from beginning to end, and shift gears plenty throughout.
Toto, well I know the song Africa, that's about it.
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Posted: November 30 2012 at 12:34
I've always thought Toto have a lot of prog arrows but they have thrown few. I.E., a piece like Hydra to me is 100% prog and there are other examples to bring forward. Their huge musical skills under any aspect, despite not enough a fact to number them in the prog family, should suggest a further evaluation of their works progwise. I'm a longstanding fan and I've bought their first album as soon as it came out a long long time ago. Since then I've been following them appreciating the most part of what they do. To me they should be considered prog related at least.
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Posted: November 12 2011 at 01:59
Iron Maiden fits your poll question specs. Metallica has one song that should be included here One.......That's it. I enjoy Toto but not for any prog values, I don't hear any. And Nightwish....ehhhh really?
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Posted: November 12 2011 at 01:21
Haven't heard much Toto, though what I have I really like. So this is really a Metallica v/s Maiden poll and because Metallica made the more brilliant albums, imo, I vote for them.
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 11:45
I'm happy to say I don't know very much Toto ... 'Africa' to be precise and I prefer Pail DiAnno era Maiden, Metallica bore me to tears now, though I did like them back in the day. However, I do like Nightwish, even with Tarja's cod-operatic mangling of the English langwich and I am really looking forward to the release of Imaginaerum in a few weeks. I know they get panned here for being a Symphonic Metal band and not a Prog Metal band but I find Holopainen's compositions to be more "Cinematic" than "Symphonic" and have always seemed to relate to emotions behind a narrative like a film score rather than as stand-alone pieces of music ... I guess what I'm trying say here is the symphonic elements within their arrangements are more than just embelishment, something the 'clone' bands miss.
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Posted: November 11 2011 at 11:35
Nightwish is the less prog-related of these bands. They are sort of speed/power metal to my ears. Their inclusion in PA is a complete nonsense.
Metallica are related to NWOBHM (there is a ripoff of a Saxon guitar solo on 'seek and destroy') and punk.
King Diamond was a huge influence, and his prog-inclined concept-albums certainly inspired Metallica. Also, technicality played an important role in thrash metal back in those days (Voivod, Coroner, Watchtower, Metal Church...) so there was probably an emulation to keep on top of these bands.
Iron Maiden is NWOBHM. But they like to show their skills in instrumental songs (the first two albums) and some of their songs have long developments that bring them together to prog-rock songs.
TOTO are often refered to as an AOR band, although one has to recognize that they are far more diverse. I was surprised to hear them on a french prog-rock radio broadcast, but the speaker explained that on each of their albums, they always play one or two songs in a jazz-rock or prog-rock vein, which gave credit to their play on a prog-rock broadcast. The song that went to air was of course the suite "better world". Their diversity was already there during the Porcaro years, but I think it enhanced when Luke took the lead and hired Simon Phillips to replace Jeff on drums. An album like 'mindfields' is the quintessence of their diversity. I think they are "progressive" in the same way bands like Dixie Dregs or mr Bungle are : blend a lot of various genres in one album.
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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