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    Posted: July 07 2005 at 00:22
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by AbsentEnemy AbsentEnemy wrote:

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especially how soft and hard to hear the druming is when it should be raging.


You should definetly hear the Seconds Out version then (maybe you already have). It's more or less the same as the studio version but Phil takes the drums up a few notches.

that version is good, but Cinema Show definately looses impact without Aisle of Plenty right after, it should have just been part of Cinema Show it fits so perfectly.

Yes I agree . Cinema Show has a nice quiet accoustic guitar conclusion which leads straight into Aisle of Plenty. I have tried listening to them separately and they don't work as individual pieces especially Aisle of Plenty. Together they tell a story and musically, I do not believe theycan be separated. Perhaps the title should be: The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty or as you suggest Nets, The Cinema Show.

I don't agree. Aisle of Plenty is a nice enough little piece, but by no means essential to Cinema Show.

Snowie: Perhaps it is the way the album is mixed which makes the two tracks seem inseparable to me


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 23:22

Supper's Ready.

Its my favorite Genesis song at least. Cinema Show is an incredible song but Supper's Ready takes the cake IMO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 22:05
Selling England by the Pound was my first Genesis album, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight sucked me in immediately, but The Cinema Show is what hooked me. Honestly can't think of a better Genesis song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 22:02

Originally posted by shaden shaden wrote:

What do the lyrics mean to it? I'm curious, I know that Peter does some
pretty crazy lyrics, but what about the reference to the "chocolate
surprise" and "Father Tyresius"? Does anyone have any interpretations?

 

I believe Father Tiresias (note user title) is a spiritual anomaly who is described as the being who heralds the end of society's love of materialism.  (I didn't make this up.  I interpreted this meaning from "The Waste Land" by T.S. Eliot.  Tiresias serves as the narrator/protagonist of the epic (430 line) poem, which I studied in English class. 

Read it here:  www.bartleby.com/201/1.html

Lines from this poem can be heard spoken by Trey Gunn in the creepy King Crimson song "The Deception of the Thrush".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 17:35

Originally posted by Lyzarrd Lyzarrd wrote:

Dancing with the Moonlit Knight is my absolute fave, but I will agree that Cinema Show is an absolutely astonishing piece of work. I especially love the fade in at the end bringing back the Moonlit Knight riff. Great stuff indeed!

Couldn't agree more!!! The transition back to the "Moonlit Knight" theme (Aisle Of Plenty) at the end of the Cinema Show is nothing but pure genius. If you want a truly great Best of the Best of Genesis experience I recommend you stick the Selling England CD into your player and program the following sequence of tracks: 1: Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 3: Firth of Fifth 7: Cinema Show and 8:  Aisle Of Plenty. A sort of mini version of the best album money can buy. For an even richer experience, I suggest keeping track 6: After The Ordeal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 08:16
Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by AbsentEnemy AbsentEnemy wrote:

Originally posted by Aerosol Grey Aerosol Grey wrote:

especially how soft and hard to hear the druming is when it should be raging.


You should definetly hear the Seconds Out version then (maybe you already have). It's more or less the same as the studio version but Phil takes the drums up a few notches.

that version is good, but Cinema Show definately looses impact without Aisle of Plenty right after, it should have just been part of Cinema Show it fits so perfectly.

Yes I agree . Cinema Show has a nice quiet accoustic guitar conclusion which leads straight into Aisle of Plenty. I have tried listening to them separately and they don't work as individual pieces especially Aisle of Plenty. Together they tell a story and musically, I do not believe theycan be separated. Perhaps the title should be: The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty or as you suggest Nets, The Cinema Show.

I don't agree. Aisle of Plenty is a nice enough little piece, but by no means essential to Cinema Show.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 07:51

So far, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight is one of the best pieces of music to ever hit my ears. I'm in the stage where I can't get over it!! Apart from Fountain of Salmacis, I don't think I'd hestitate to put it at no.1 of my favourite Genesis songs.

 

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Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

I've always wondered, what's so hard in Dancing With the Moonlit Knight that no one seems to get it right?
 
Well, since they sing Dancing out... and if you've listened it before ever looking at the track listing, it's easy to mishear.
 
However, if you consider it among your top tunes...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 07:28
I've always wondered, what's so hard in Dancing With the Moonlit Knight that no one seems to get it right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 06:51

My favorite Genesis song so far is: Dancing with the monlite knight, time table, Musical box, Suppers ready and the Battle of eping forest.

Cinema show a is nice tune but not my favorite.

 

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Originally posted by James Hill James Hill wrote:

Dancing out on a Moonlit Night.
 
Dancing with the Moonlit Knight. It's kind of a pun thingy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 03:19

Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Cinema Show definately looses impact without Aisle of Plenty right after, it should have just been part of Cinema Show it fits so perfectly.

Hell, yes. That's why I list them together as one song in my overview of all-time favourite songs.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 03:15
Cinema Show is one outstanding song off one of the best Symphonic albums of all time Selling England by the Pound.I think Fifth of Firth and Dancing out on a Moonlit Night are also brilliant off that album.I think The carpet Crawlers and Suppers Ready along with Watcher of the Skies are great also but I wont say better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2005 at 22:24
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by AbsentEnemy AbsentEnemy wrote:

Originally posted by Aerosol Grey Aerosol Grey wrote:

especially how soft and hard to hear the druming is when it should be raging.


You should definetly hear the Seconds Out version then (maybe you already have). It's more or less the same as the studio version but Phil takes the drums up a few notches.

that version is good, but Cinema Show definately looses impact without Aisle of Plenty right after, it should have just been part of Cinema Show it fits so perfectly.

Yes I agree . Cinema Show has a nice quiet accoustic guitar conclusion which leads straight into Aisle of Plenty. I have tried listening to them separately and they don't work as individual pieces especially Aisle of Plenty. Together they tell a story and musically, I do not believe theycan be separated. Perhaps the title should be: The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty or as you suggest Nets, The Cinema Show.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2005 at 17:35
Supper's Ready
The Musical Box
Dancing With the Moonlit Knight
Back in NYC
In the Cage
Firth of Forth
Can-Utility and The Coastliners
The Knife

can all be said to be in the same league as The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty, one of my faves to be sure...
Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2005 at 16:45

Originally posted by AbsentEnemy AbsentEnemy wrote:

Originally posted by Aerosol Grey Aerosol Grey wrote:

especially how soft and hard to hear the druming is when it should be raging.


You should definetly hear the Seconds Out version then (maybe you already have). It's more or less the same as the studio version but Phil takes the drums up a few notches.

that version is good, but Cinema Show definately looses impact without Aisle of Plenty right after, it should have just been part of Cinema Show it fits so perfectly.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2005 at 04:17

Yes, this is one of the best Genesis songs I've heard. Love the keyboards later in the song.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 15:44

Absent Enemy:

I, too, prefer the live version of CS, as I find it ten times more "exciting" than the album version (which is superb in its own right).  But it's not only Collins.  Keep in mind that Bruford is the auxiliary drummer on the live track of CS on Seconds Out.  It is the interplay between arguably the two best prog drummers in the world that makes makes the 7/8 jam so frighteningly amazing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 15:10
Originally posted by Aerosol Grey Aerosol Grey wrote:

especially how soft and hard to hear the druming is when it should be raging.


You should definetly hear the Seconds Out version then (maybe you already have). It's more or less the same as the studio version but Phil takes the drums up a few notches.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2005 at 11:30
Watcher of the Skies gets my vote, and also Dodo/Lurker.
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