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KoS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 17 2005 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 16310 |
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Is the wave of taco trucks dying?
much more pertinent
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tamijo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
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"all things must pass"
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Old_Wise_Owl ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 21 2011 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 15 |
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Third wave is far from dying, very far. In fact 2011 has been the best year in a long time IMHO. Dream Theater, Opeth, Neal Morse, Pendragon, Steven Wilson to name just a few have all done strong releases this year.
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 8700 |
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Although Pendragon were from the second wave (
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Slartibartfast ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 28097 |
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The Shrubbery ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 06 2011 Location: Daytona Beach F Status: Offline Points: 74 |
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I know I keep talking about this but it just amazes me that nobody else is. Edison's Children has the strongest new prog album i've heard in years and I can't believe that nobody else is talking about it!
It is like... the next step of Marillion... Like... take "Is It Really Happening?" by Transatlantic and make an entire album based around that song. Is it because everybody thinks that Transatlantic is going in the wrong direction and people are holding it against Edison's Children? I don't get it. This is the best Pete Trewavas album in decades.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 7438 |
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I don't think so. The only thing that is dying is us and the opinions that we create and invent when we don't like something or other!
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... none of the hits, none of the time ... now you know what the art is all about!
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MattGuitat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2011 Status: Offline Points: 336 |
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Really? I love that song, sounds like i gotta check this album out
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Kashmir75 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 25 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1029 |
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Indeed. It's been a fantastic year for prog. I haven't heard the Neal Morse or Pendragon yet, but Steven Wilson, Dream Theater, and Opeth's albums this year were excellent. Heritage is actually my favourite Opeth album.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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TremoloDental ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 07 2011 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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After the third wave, there will be a fourth wave. Prog will never die.
This year we had so many good albums: i don't like the last DT, the last Opeth and I think Grace for Drowning is overrated. I really enjoy Haken, Discipline, Anubis, Leprous, Neal Morse, White Willow. And this year also VDGG came out. |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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The OP designated this "third wave" as comprised of the early 90s revival bands, so therefore in that scheme of things, the fourth wave already happened. |
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fuyuakiworld ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2011 Location: Alderaan Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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Honestly, I didn't know there was a third wave, but I listen to mostly pre-'85 stuff.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 4463 |
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That's pretty cool. What I'd really like is for Rikard to do another Bootcut CD. |
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treebeard ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 04 2006 Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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2012 looks like there will be A new Anglagard album! More from Phideaux, perhaps 7 1/2 More from the Tangent, a box set of some kind. The first volume in a 2 part set from Big Big Train A new album from Frost!!!! **** Another album from Fred Lessing's "DayMoon" As above another album from Beardfish A new Marillion album, its been a while.... Another album from A Big Goodbye Storm of Corrosion, a new album from Wilson and Akerfeldt And potentially the Flower Kings getting back together! And Morse has rejoined Spocks Beard! Probably lots more, but at this point I'd be well skint anyway... ![]() Edited by treebeard - January 04 2012 at 03:21 |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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No....that will never die.
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Lighthouse Keeper ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: January 07 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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What do you think are the chances of a new band succeding with prog? And i don't mean the new prog sound like mars volta or porcupine tree etc.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Chicago, IL USA Status: Offline Points: 3216 |
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Welcome to the party, LHK! Good question, one that is not asked nearly enough on PA. I'm a semi-pro musician who's played in a variety of bands, ranging from original prog to cover tunes & even a Spinal Tap trib band! I've had a few good offers to tour, but I never cared for the situations so I took a pass. If you never heard of the Chicago band "The Marquis," well, then, you can get my drift! In my hometown of Chicago, I'm seeing a decent surge of interest in prog, usually at the expense of musical forms which are being eclipsed including indie rock, speed metal, house music/rap etc. We have some real jazz-rock fusion talent in town, and that seems to be doing very well (Chicago has a long & proud jazz history). In terms of "succeeding," we need to look at what IS successful! Of the popular music going on, there is quite a bit of "spectacle" stagecraft, and the reigning queen is Lady Gaga. If she ever wanted to do a live version of "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway," I'd be first in line for tickets!! We see that nearly all popular/financially prosperous acts these days market danceable music with lots of dance visuals onstage. Well...."danceable" is NOT an adjective that is usually applied to prog! Back in the 1970's, entire stadiums of fans were content to sedately sit in stoned bliss and watch "Relayer," "Dark Side," etc. (guilty as charged! ![]() To summarize, I think an emergent prog band that had really exciting visuals, a nod towards a more contemporary sound and outstanding musicianship and stagecraft could indeed be very successful! However, for bands that keep recycling old prog formulas, I think there is limited chance for commercial success, unless they reduce their goals & are content to be small-scale acts with limited appeal. Thoughts, oh Wise Ones of PA?
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Lighthouse Keeper ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: January 07 2012 Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Thanks for your reply, cstack3. And i agree with you that audiences now are attracted to dancable tunes more than technical compositions. Really, the only reason i want our band to be well known is so we can influence people and maybe even other bands to stray away from this de-evolution of music that is happening now. Like you said, i wish for people to sit and enjoy the music and not mindlessly dance around (except on some of our more funky tunes, you can't not dance to funk :)).
Of course, i also could use some money, but really only to buy me some analogue synths and a hammond, otherwise i don't care much for a life of luxury. I understand these ideas may be quite out of reach for a band who just barely started playing, and it's very easy for a band from an obscure country to get lost among the overpopulated music scene today. |
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Gerinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4083 |
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On what I do agree is that visuals are very powerful nowadays, and they can be used to convey to the general audience how great watching great musicians play can be. Modern popular music videos hardly care about showing the musicians play (no wonder, there's little if anything to show) but maybe some attractively edited video material of good musicians playing good music could help in the task of promoting good music.
Even if it seems utopia, we should aim to having again a young society who can sedately sit in stoned bliss and rejoice in good music. I think it just takes a paradigm shift, someday someone with a lot of public influence promoting good music and suddenly making it be "cool" again. Most things in human culture display cyclic behaviour so I don't loose hope.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 28097 |
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Aww, geeze, where to start? Lots of good observations. If you're regurgitating old prog formulas I'm not going to be apt to like it unless just I happen to. I don't go out of my way to expect that prog artists do something completely different. I can be quite content with a fresh approach having elements of the good stuff that came before. If you're making long songs or using complex times signatures just for the sake of doing so, you will likely be making inferior product. This doesn't mean that you can't do so these days and still make worthwhile music. Commercial success for prog as it occurred in the '70's is never going to happen again. An artist is best venturing forward boldly and letting it fall where it may. |
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