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John Zorn or Fred Frith?

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Poll Question: Which musician/composer you do prefer?
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    Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:33
Both are avant-garde giants who have collaborated extensively in the past. Which do you prefer?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JS19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:40
Zorny Zorn Zorn
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You could certainly compile a sizeable collection based solely on the output of these two.

Went with Frith.
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Have to go with Frith, even though Zorn has many many homeruns in his discog.
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I like a lot of Zorn, but know and like much more Frith.
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Fred for having known the best over the years.  Just got my first three self titled Zorns this year.  I was reluctant to try more Zorn after his 50th thingy with Frith, but then I was browsing at my local independent record store because a mail order had failed to arrive in a timely fashion.  I started at the rock Zs.  Wahoo looked intriguing but was pricey.  Went through all the rock and came across a couple of reissues I was kind of interested in but said, nah, maybe and moved on.  So next I hit the jazz section.  I swear I go all the way from A to Z there and nothing really excites me.  I make it to Z and there's several recent Zorns.  They are all on Tzadic and have written information blurbs about the album in a little insert at the spine.  So I'm thinking hmmm.  And I read them and the one for The Dreamers sounded really intriguing:
"Continuing in the tradition of his popular album The Gift, Zorn again combines a lifetime of musical passions—world music, movie soundtracks, jazz, minimalism, exotica, funk, surf rock and more—to create a vibrant and multifaceted album of instrumental fairy tales. Masterfully performed by the all-star players from Electric Masada, The Dreamers is a project of breathtaking variety and will attract listeners of all backgrounds and ages. Bathed in a lush package created by the acclaimed artist and exclusive Tzadik graphic designer Chippy, and accompanied by a sheet of collectable character stickers, The Dreamers is one of Zorn’s most beautiful and appealing projects. Seductive lyricism, hypnotic grooves, catchy hooks and romantic moods from this genre-bashing master of surprise."
So I get to the truck and immediately pull off the shrink wrap and pop it in.  It was one of those make your day music moments.  Totally clicked.





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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Fred for having known the best over the years.  Just got my first three self titled Zorns this year.  I was reluctant to try more Zorn after his 50th thingy with Frith, but then I was browsing at my local independent record store because a mail order had failed to arrive in a timely fashion.  I started at the rock Zs.  Wahoo looked intriguing but was pricey.  Went through all the rock and came across a couple of reissues I was kind of interested in but said, nah, maybe and moved on.  So next I hit the jazz section.  I swear I go all the way from A to Z there and nothing really excites me.  I make it to Z and there's several recent Zorns.  They are all on Tzadic and have written information blurbs about the album in a little insert at the spine.  So I'm thinking hmmm.  And I read them and the one for The Dreamers sounded really intriguing:
"Continuing in the tradition of his popular album The Gift, Zorn again combines a lifetime of musical passions—world music, movie soundtracks, jazz, minimalism, exotica, funk, surf rock and more—to create a vibrant and multifaceted album of instrumental fairy tales. Masterfully performed by the all-star players from Electric Masada, The Dreamers is a project of breathtaking variety and will attract listeners of all backgrounds and ages. Bathed in a lush package created by the acclaimed artist and exclusive Tzadik graphic designer Chippy, and accompanied by a sheet of collectable character stickers, The Dreamers is one of Zorn’s most beautiful and appealing projects. Seductive lyricism, hypnotic grooves, catchy hooks and romantic moods from this genre-bashing master of surprise."
So I get to the truck and immediately pull off the shrink wrap and pop it in.  It was one of those make your day music moments.  Totally clicked.



Have you heard The Gift? I highly recommend it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:57
No, but I'm interested in it already.

I'm also considering the new Christmas album.


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This track is spectacular:


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Frith because Zorn gets on my nerves.
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Zorn has too much elevator material for me, whereas I love everything Frith has done
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:20
I like Zorn's elevator material better than his sax strangling stuff.  OK then, a Frith off...Big smile

One I really like:
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heard, not heard, like or not if so? Big smile

Decided to give this one a spin though:
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I had the good fortune of seeing the Crew play live in Atlanta for two shows.Bowdown


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Henry Cow is really the furthest I've gone with Frith, so I don't know which to choose.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 18:47
Originally posted by Anthony H.

Henry Cow is really the furthest I've gone with Frith, so I don't know which to choose.
Oddly enough I don't know any Henry Cow.  Heard of of course but not heard.
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Herd?  LOL

Frith for me, easily.
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Originally posted by Epignosis

Herd?  LOL

Frith for me, easily.

What of Frith turns you on?

Eno was my entre into Frith.  Before And After Science in particular.


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Wow. I didn't expect such a raping.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JS19 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 04:16
Looks like I'm in the minority here.... Did not expect that
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Hemulen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 04:57
Another vote from Frith I'm afraid. I find Zorn's projects to be interesting for twenty minutes or so at a time, but they've never held my attention for an entire album. Mind you, that Dreamers album does look/sound intriguing.

As for Frith - superb improviser, incomparable composer. He's in another league altogether!
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